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Who was the second best rookie this year?

Who was the second best rookie?

  • Celebrini

  • Wolf

  • Michkov

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Celebrini, and it's not even close. You could argue he's been the best rookie. He finished just 1 point behind Hutson depsite missing a month (10 games less).

In the end it's meaningless. It's just a rookie award. Celebrini will be the far better player in the long run.
 
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Doom Bot said:
Insanely impressive the way he got his team one extra win from last season
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Team sport.

Plus, you didn't watch the games and see how many leads were blown by awful goaltending. Grier was also purposely tanking, starting with the Blackwood trade. The Sharks team from Oct - early Dec would have finished with a lot more than 20 wins.
 
Celebrini, also to note he's a couple years younger than everyone else on this list. Wolf is 24, Michkov is 20, Hutson is 21. Not easy to be successful in the NHL at 18.
 
I have to be honest, the poll is super annoying. I’m ok with Hutson winning the Calder, but this poll would suggest he’s so far above the rest, let’s set him aside and vote on who is 2nd best. Dude is not in his own tier here.
 
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Toby91ca said:
I have to be honest, the poll is super annoying. I’m ok with Hutson winning the Calder, but this poll would suggest he’s so far above the rest, let’s set him aside and vote on who is 2nd best. Dude is not in his own tier here.
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Yes, let’s be honest.

Hutson rookie comparables:

Housley, Chelios, Lidstrom, Bourque.

Celebrini rookie comparables:

Jeff Skinner, Mike Bullard, Wayne Babych, Filip Forsberg, Michael Ryder, Michael Bunting.

Seems like different tiers to me.
 
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LeafsNation149 said:
Celebrini > Hutson
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Oh yeah I would take Celebrini without even thinking now and in the future as he's the more important player and a stud 2-way #1 Center but for the Calder, it's going to be Hutson. He finished 5th in PPP as he's an incredible PP QB already and 7th in ESP, showing that he doesn't only rely on the PP

He has the 4th most points by a rookie D-man and the 3 guys ahead did that in the 80's\

Habano said:
Kleven
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???

Garbageyuk said:
Yes, let’s be honest.

Hutson rookie comparables:

Housley, Chelios, Lidstrom, Bourque.
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Number of points as a rookie you mean? Yeah

I hope you're not expecting Hutson to reach anywhere close to guys like Bourque and Lidstrom
 
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Garbageyuk said:
Yes, let’s be honest.

Hutson rookie comparables:

Housley, Chelios, Lidstrom, Bourque.

Celebrini rookie comparables:

Jeff Skinner, Mike Bullard, Wayne Babych, Filip Forsberg, Michael Ryder, Michael Bunting.

Seems like different tiers to me.
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What are you even trying to show here? Why compare what people did in their rookie years and suggest someone is way better because the guys I compared one against to the guys I compared the other against are way better....how does that make any sense at all?

Why didn't you compare Celebrini to Jagr....would that have hurt your illustration? What about to Messier, who only had 33pts in his rookie year?

Look, Celebrini produced at a higher clip than Hutson this year, way more goals and almost the same points in far fewer games. AND I KNOW....we are comparing F with D, but Hutson is lauded for his offense, not defense. But as I suggested, Hutson should win the Calder, I'm just suggesting it's a bit insane to put him up on a pedestal for his greatness when his rookie year was that much better than Celebrini's.

For a bit of fun though, I'll go through each of the guys you compared Celebrini to, just to illustrate that none of them should have been comparable. To start, I'm going to pro rate all of their stats to as if they each played 82 games. So, Celebrini goes from 70 games to 82 games, Babych goes from 67 games to 82 games, Bunting goes from 79 games to 82 games, etc.

So, Celebrini would be 29 goals, 74 points - 18 years old

- Skinner - 31 goals, 63 points - 18 years old - close, but Celebrini obviously had better production.
- Bullard - 39 goals, 69 points - 20 years old - so, 2 years older + we are talking about 1981 here
- Babych - 33 goals, 77 points - 20 years old - again, 2 years older and late 70s
- Forsberg - 26 goals, 63 points - 20 years old - again, 2 years older
- Ryder - 25 goals, 64 points - 23 freaking years old....can't compare
- Bunting - 24 goals, 65 points - 26 freaking years old....can't compare

The bigger point here though....comparing against different guys makes no sense, especially if you are trying to show that the guy you are comparting against didn't end up being a great player.....wouldn't have changed the fact that they had a great rookie year.
 
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Toby91ca said:
I have to be honest, the poll is super annoying. I’m ok with Hutson winning the Calder, but this poll would suggest he’s so far above the rest, let’s set him aside and vote on who is 2nd best. Dude is not in his own tier here.
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Did not read the OP award
 
Toby91ca said:
What are you even trying to show here? Why compare what people did in their rookie years and suggest someone is way better because the guys I compared one against to the guys I compared the other against are way better....how does that make any sense at all?

Why didn't you compare Celebrini to Jagr....would that have hurt your illustration? What about to Messier, who only had 33pts in his rookie year?

Look, Celebrini produced at a higher clip than Hutson this year, way more goals and almost the same points in far fewer games. AND I KNOW....we are comparing F with D, but Hutson is lauded for his offense, not defense. But as I suggested, Hutson should win the Calder, I'm just suggesting it's a bit insane to put him up on a pedestal for his greatness when his rookie year was that much better than Celebrini's.

For a bit of fun though, I'll go through each of the guys you compared Celebrini to, just to illustrate that none of them should have been comparable. To start, I'm going to pro rate all of their stats to as if they each played 82 games. So, Celebrini goes from 70 games to 82 games, Babych goes from 67 games to 82 games, Bunting goes from 79 games to 82 games, etc.

So, Celebrini would be 29 goals, 74 points - 18 years old

- Skinner - 31 goals, 63 points - 18 years old - close, but Celebrini obviously had better production.
- Bullard - 39 goals, 69 points - 20 years old - so, 2 years older + we are talking about 1981 here
- Babych - 33 goals, 77 points - 20 years old - again, 2 years older and late 70s
- Forsberg - 26 goals, 63 points - 20 years old - again, 2 years older
- Ryder - 25 goals, 64 points - 23 freaking years old....can't compare
- Bunting - 24 goals, 65 points - 26 freaking years old....can't compare

The bigger point here though....comparing against different guys makes no sense, especially if you are trying to show that the guy you are comparting against didn't end up being a great player.....wouldn't have changed the fact that they had a great rookie year.
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Lol, all that just to double down on the same BS from before. Here, I’ll put it more succinctly for you:

Hutson’s season ranks 5th all time in scoring for rookie defensemen, and broke/tied several NHL records.

Celebrini’s season ranks 94th all time in scoring for rookie forwards, and came nowhere near any records.

Hutson finished 7th among D in scoring this year.

Celebrini finished 64th among forwards.

Hutson had the vastly superior rookie season relative to his peers, both this season and historically. Celebrini’s was pedestrian in comparison.
 
Garbageyuk said:
Lol, all that just to double down on the same BS from before. Here, I’ll put it more succinctly for you:

Hutson’s season ranks 5th all time in scoring for rookie defensemen, and broke/tied several NHL records.

Celebrini’s season ranks 94th all time in scoring for rookie forwards, and came nowhere near any records.

Hutson finished 7th among D in scoring this year.

Celebrini finished 64th among forwards.

Hutson had the vastly superior rookie season relative to his peers, both this season and historically. Celebrini’s was pedestrian in comparison.
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I'm not doubling down on BS....I've already suggest Hutson should win the award, all I've suggested is that it's a bit an insult to Celebrini to suggest he doesn't even deserved to be discussion the same breath as Hutson, which is what we are saying when we remove Hutson from the conversation and put him in his own tier. I understand Hutson put up great numbers for a rookie Dman, but that's mostly because Dmen tend to take more time to mature, etc. Hutson is 20 or 21, he's not 18 like Celebrini.

I'm not disputing who had the better rookie year, but your comparables didn't make a lot of sense to me...you seemed to be picking comparables that weren't actual comparables for Celebrini to make him look worse....not that it matters anyway as some guys have great rookie years and turn out to be nothing beyond that and some are the opposite. But interesting that you didn't use as comparbles, for example, Jagr, Bure, Kane or MacKinnon. Celebrini's year is arguably comparable or better than some of them.
 
Sasha Orlov said:
Did not read the OP award
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I didn't see it.....but begs the question as to the point of this, would the original tend to show the same thing.....most support Hutson and then whoever got the 2nd most support would be the guy most would say had the 2nd best year then? Or is the purpose of this to gush about Huston more without it looking like that's what we are doing?
 
Toby91ca said:
I didn't see it.....but begs the question as to the point of this, would the original tend to show the same thing.....most support Hutson and then whoever got the 2nd most support would be the guy most would say had the 2nd best year then? Or is the purpose of this to gush about Huston more without it looking like that's what we are doing?
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I think the latter
 
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