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Who was better this year? Michkov or Bedard?

Who was better this year?

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This is exclusively judging them based on what they did this year. Who do you think was the better player in the 2024-25 season?

Michkov
26 goals, 63 points in 80 games.
16:41 ATOI
18/82 Takeaway/giveaway
Lead team in goals by 2.
2nd in points on team, 13 behind 1st place


Bedard
23 goals, 67 points in 82 games
20:17 ATOI
26/90 takeaway/giveaway
Lead team in points, 5 more than 2nd best.
 
Bedard has nothing to work with. But it was also his second season and he was the man on his team. Michkov had better linemates but it was his rookie season on a different continent where his native language isn’t spoken

I say it’s pretty even
 
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One guy was given unlimited ice time, never scratched, never punished for defensive errors. The other was constantly punished, benched and dicked around. I'm a big Bedard fan but this is Michkov in a landslide, he would of put up 75+ with the same ice time and usage in his rookie year. Also the Flyers have the worst PP in the league and Michkov was regularly pulled off the top unit to "punish him". What shocked me about Bedard the most was his goal totals, I fully expected 35+, Michkov potted 26 to lead the team even with all the other BS going on.

Should be an extremely fun comparison moving forward as both teams improve and add the young talent they're drafting. Always said they were 1A/1B in their draft year.
 
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Michkov was better by a significant margin. Way more present in the corners and around the net. Showed a willingness to absorb contact and still make plays, he was really strong on the puck this year.

Bedard was charmin soft and was quite easily kept to the perimeter most nights. Was probably the weakest player on the puck in the league this year.
 
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Bedard lessor talent but plays 4 min per game more than Michkov. So that equals out. Both elite talents. The gods sure smiled on PHI on draft night 2023.
 
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I probably didn't watch enough games of either this year, so take this with a grain of salt. For Bedard, you can still see elite ability, but he seemed to be missing stuff....he's doing fine obviously, but you'd like to see more from him.

Michkov, again, I only saw a handful of games, but I will say, he seemed to float a lot....cheat up into the neutral zone....it was glaring as it's not something you tend to notice unless you are in the arena, so for me to notice that much by watching on TV, it stood out. He seemed to have more hunger to score though.

To me, it's a toss up this year....but would say Bedard slightly better due to the total lack of support in Chicago....if you want to consider which is more impressive, you can bring them back to closer or edge to Michkov as it's his first year....but that wasn't the question here.
 
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JaegerDice said:
I mean, the answer is in the numbers. It's Bedard.
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But the numbers say Michkov?

Michkov played 1335 minutes
Bedard played 1663 minutes

Michkov scored 3 more goals, 4 less points in 328 less games.

That's the equivalent to Michkov playing 20 less games at his A/TOI of 16:41

Michkov prorated with Bedard's ice time would have him at 33 goals 46 assist 79 points in 80 games.

Michkov P/60 2.83
Bedard P/60 2.41


Michkov had 46 ESP, ESP/60 2.49
Bedard had 38 ESP, ESP/60 1.58

Michkov, by the numbers was far better, especially when it came to even strength.

That being said, i'm still taking Bedard over every player drafted from 2023 through 2025 besides MAYBE Michkov. His ceiling is still the highest and we've yet to see him play with any type of talent at all.

The comments with Fantili, Leo, Celebrini being better and Smith being close are downright comical. Fantilli and Leo play with so much more talent than Bedard does and he's scored significantly more than both in any of the years you look at. Celebrini also played with far more talent, yet pretty much matched Bedard's rookie year. Celebrini did a lot better in his rookie year than i expected and if he keeps it up next year i'll listen to that convo. As it stands Bedard blows him out of the water D0, D-1, D-2 ETC and they're even D+1. Smith is very good but he's significantly behind Bedard

going forward (from 23' to 25')

1. Bedard/Michkov
2. Michkov/Bedard
3. Celebrini
4. Fantilli
5. Leo
6. Demidov
7. Smith
 
Toby91ca said:
I probably didn't watch enough games of either this year, so take this with a grain of salt. For Bedard, you can still see elite ability, but he seemed to be missing stuff....he's doing fine obviously, but you'd like to see more from him.

Michkov, again, I only saw a handful of games, but I will say, he seemed to float a lot....cheat up into the neutral zone....it was glaring as it's not something you tend to notice unless you are in the arena, so for me to notice that much by watching on TV, it stood out. He seemed to have more hunger to score though.

To me, it's a toss up this year....but would say Bedard slightly better due to the total lack of support in Chicago....if you want to consider which is more impressive, you can bring them back to closer or edge to Michkov as it's his first year....but that wasn't the question here.
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I watch both of these teams, every game. Flyers are pretty much my EC team.

There's no doubt Bedard floats more and plays less defense. He has had the freedom to do so his entire career, Michkov would get benched for doing so and had a leash.

Michkov never floats, he anticipates, he's always skating out to the OZ one step ahead of his teamate securing puck possession which is very risky and when it fails it looks horrible. More often than not he guesses correct though. Bedard will just straight up hang in the nuetral zone by design, trapping a defender high and making the play 4on4 a lot of the times, i don't think the game plan is for him to be involved at all defensively, i think he has the potential to actually play defensem he just isn't tasked with it.
 
WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
Michkov was better by a significant margin. Way more present in the corners and around the net. Showed a willingness to absorb contact and still make plays, he was really strong on the puck this year.

Bedard was charmin soft and was quite easily kept to the perimeter most nights. Was probably the weakest player on the puck in the league this year.
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Come on man.. weakest player in the league on the puck? Have you watched Lane Hutson play?

Bedard is a perimeter player by design, he keeps a D high and is ready to breakout. Michkov is definitely more physical and better defensively but you're going too far with the criticism of Bedard
 
People in here acting like the Flyers are chock full of talent or something. Konecny is obviously better than anyone on the Blackhawks, but after that it’s not exactly an impressive list of talents
 
Sasso09 said:
Come on man.. weakest player in the league on the puck? Have you watched Lane Hutson play?
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Yes, Hutson is stronger on his stick and and better leverages his agility and edge work to win puck battles.
Sasso09 said:
Bedard is a perimeter player by design, he keeps a D high and is ready to breakout. Michkov is definitely more physical and better defensively but you're going too far with the criticism of Bedard
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If staying to the outside is by design, why did he get high danger areas at such a high rate his rookie year, more than double the rate we saw this year?

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Unsurprisingly, his goal scoring fall off correlates almost exactly to his fall off in high danger chances.

He's going to struggle to average much more than 30 goals a year if the plan is to keep him on the perimeter like Kane.

Meanwhile Michkov got to the high danger areas at a much higher frequency, and consequentially scored goals at a much higher rate.

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uncleben said:
Woudn't the context of Michkov being on a better team with better teammates worsen his case?
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Michkov was only outplayed by Konecny, and he was actually held responsible for poor play. Bedard got hand fed premium minutes with no consequences for reckless offensive chance taking, and still got outplayed by Ryan Donato. Hard to blame his linemates when he was outplayed by such poor players.
 
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