Who to sign to change the DNA?

[MCR74]

"Defence wins championships".... suggests signing someone who plays D but is terrible at it... makes sense.

Also, literally can't do your plan.

That would be such a Kyle move.

 

[colchar]

Biggest problem for this team is that half of it gets swapped out at the end of every season. As a result there is no team spirit, players dont stick up for each other. Takes years to build but the patience has never been there. (Look at Tampa before they started winning for example..)

Bollocks.

Chicago had to jettison players every off season when they were winning and it never hurt them because they had the right core to tinker around.

 

[colchar]

Try to trade people ,maybe getting ekblad could help
But if u listen to rumors
He will only go to small media markets that wont keep bringing up his PED suspension

What a ridiculous load of shite.

 

[colchar]

Have you seen videos of the Panthers partying?……these guys look like they truly love each other. I’m sorry but I can never see the Leafs being that tight!!

They have also fully bought in to what Maurice is preaching.

I read something a couple of weeks ago in which a player said that when he was new to the team he did something, and was immediately called out for it by an established Panthers player. He was told "we don't do that here, you can do it in the offensive end but never in our end, we just don't play like that." The player said he understood then how fully on the same page the players were.

I'd love for the Leafs to so fully buy in like that.

 

[647Hockey]

DNA is very important for the right team but here are my 2 questions:

1. If Marner walks, do people think Matthews/Nylander have the DNA to lead us like a 4 round team?

2. Do you trust Tre to put the right guys around Matthews/Nylander to lead us through 4 rounds whether Matthews/Nylander can or cannot?

If you answer no to both of these, what are we doing exactly?

If they cant find some good new players to replace MM and any other open spots, Leafs arent going anywhere in the playoffs. Especially if they sign JT back taking up a C spot. If the team doesnt change much, there's no way they get past TB or Florida in a round one match up next year. Heck, it'd probably better to fall to a wildcard spot and give up home ice to face the top team from the Metro.

The Leafs have enough talent to make it to the playoffs no problem. They just need some forwards with some gritty playoff heart.

They've tried that over the years with O Reilly, Bertuzzi, Foligno, but those guys seem to bolt on ther own or the Leafs just dont want them anymore.

The team has a lot of money to spend. The cap increase helps too (of course that helps all teams). MM is not a playoff performer. AM and JT arent either. But AM is locked in, but JT can be avoided.

Let MM and JT go and find some other players. Find a good goalie too if that's doable. There is no way Stolarz replicates what he did (all star numbers, where his reg season GAA and save % were basically Hasek numbers), and Woll is hit and miss and injury prone too. If there's a good goalie out there, keep Stolarz, give up Woll.

 

[Mess]

The Leafs need some violent highly aggressive players that love finishing their checks to change the DNA to one that is effective in the playoffs.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Yes but you get more value out of a locking a guy like Knies up long term.

How?

A bridge deal is a short term contract with a lower AAV than an eight year deal. It eliminates the risk of a long term overpay while allowing the team to remain in control for the next round of negotiations barring arbitration. An eight year deal takes him to free agency at which point the team has to pay full market ufa prices if they want to re-sign him.

Giving Knies more money now and then re-signing him at full market ufa pricing doesn't benefit the team at all and provides no extra value over bridging him.

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

I'm not. I think Tre is more than smart enough to make changes over the next two summers as next year's crop is better even if McJesus signs in Edmonton.

He's signed some questionable free agents with limited cap space, Reaves contract is bad even though its small, Kampf got over paid, Nylander could have been cheaper if he didn't take a wait and see approach to a guy who has basically gotten better every year of his career. Hakanpaa, Klingberg, he gave domi a 1 year show me contract and when Domi put up worse numbers than the year before he some how got a raise, more term than he's ever had and a 13 team no trade. Im worried he's gonna go all in for someone who is on the wrong side of 30 this summer now that he has some serious money to work with.

How?

A bridge deal is a short term contract with a lower AAV than an eight year deal. It eliminates the risk of a long term overpay while allowing the team to remain in control for the next round of negotiations barring arbitration. An eight year deal takes him to free agency at which point the team has to pay full market ufa prices if they want to re-sign him.

Giving Knies more money now and then re-signing him at full market ufa pricing doesn't benefit the team at all and provides no extra value over bridging him.

I think long term is best, his comparables right now put him in the 7-8 range on a long term deal. You can even go a bit higher like 8.5. That gives you value later. Shit the leafs can flex their financial muscle 8.5 with it all (minus league min salary) in bonuses for the first 5 years, front loaded as much as allowed in the CBA. Say the team's window is only a few more year, well if you have Knies locked in for 8, on a deal where the money owed is less than the cap hit thats a massively attractive asset, if the window is longer you're going to get value having a big scoring winger on what is no longer such a large cap hit.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Say the team's window is only a few more year, well if you have Knies locked in for 8, on a deal where the money owed is less than the cap hit thats a massively attractive asset, if the window is longer you're going to get value having a big scoring winger on what is no longer such a large cap hit.

I don't understand how paying him extra money up front so another team can reap the benefits of having a player cheaper than his aav creates value for the Leafs... even if they traded him before the contract expires that's not creating value because they paid for it... and the bolded part doesn't make sense because the cap hit remains the same for the duration of the contract... even as the percentage decreases over the length of the deal that doesn't create any more value because the appearance of value added comes from the cap inflating not from the players contract.

There is no value added in giving him more money now and then having to pay him full ufa prices once the deal expires. Zero. None. Giving him more now AND more later sounds an awful lot like something Dubas would do.

It doesn't appear you fully appreciate what a bridge deal is and the advantages it offers to the team, and I really don't feel like getting into it with you, so I'll just suggest that teams clearly see the value in them or there wouldn't be so many of them being issued and leave it at that.

 

[Racer88]

The Leafs need some violent highly aggressive players that love finishing their checks to change the DNA to one that is effective in the playoffs.

Some real old school biters and gougers.

 

[rumman]

DNA is very important for the right team but here are my 2 questions:

1. If Marner walks, do people think Matthews/Nylander have the DNA to lead us like a 4 round team?

2. Do you trust Tre to put the right guys around Matthews/Nylander to lead us through 4 rounds whether Matthews/Nylander can or cannot?

If you answer no to both of these, what are we doing exactly?

1: I certainly don’t think removing Marner and JT fixes the DNA issue, only getting rid of 34, 44, and possibly 88 would achieve that.

2: I don’t trust Tre to fix the problems with the team because he’s using a scalpel to do the job when a chainsaw is what’s needed. He didn’t create this mess, but I highly doubt he’s got the stones (or permission) to do what’s needed.

To answer “what are we doing here,” well, in my opinion we’re treading water………..

 

[rumman]

So who would return the most value in a trade?

If you could trade 34 for two impact players would you do it? I say hell yeah. If you could move 88 for one impact player and one good NHLer would you do it? Again, I say hell yeah. If you could dump 44 for some other teams underperforming overpaid player would you do it? Of course you would.

So, you lose Captain Arrogant and replace him with two players that might not be as good, but are impact players none the less. Styles is traded of the same type of return just not as much quality coming back. Dumping Mo for another team’s equally overpaid under performing player might be good for both players and teams involved.

Will any of this happen? I doubt it, Bubbles doesn’t inspire bold moves, but one never knows………

 

[ToneDog]

If you could trade 34 for two impact players would you do it? I say hell yeah. If you could move 88 for one impact player and one good NHLer would you do it? Again, I say hell yeah. If you could dump 44 for some other teams underperforming overpaid player would you do it? Of course you would.

So, you lose Captain Arrogant and replace him with two players that might not be as good, but are impact players none the less. Styles is traded of the same type of return just not as much quality coming back. Dumping Mo for another team’s equally overpaid under performing player might be good for both players and teams involved.

Will any of this happen? I doubt it, Bubbles doesn’t inspire bold moves, but one never knows………

When was the last time this team made a bold move, let alone a successful one? Sundin for Clark ?

I'd trade 5 years of Rielly for one year of Holl.

I'd trade Nylander and Matthews in a heartbeat for the right returns.

This team is facing becoming a bottom feeder for years in 3 years. You either play it out or make bold moves in order to avoid going over the cliff. We all know what this organization will choose to do.

 

[Nineteen67]

If you could trade 34 for two impact players would you do it? I say hell yeah. If you could move 88 for one impact player and one good NHLer would you do it? Again, I say hell yeah. If you could dump 44 for some other teams underperforming overpaid player would you do it? Of course you would.

So, you lose Captain Arrogant and replace him with two players that might not be as good, but are impact players none the less. Styles is traded of the same type of return just not as much quality coming back. Dumping Mo for another team’s equally overpaid under performing player might be good for both players and teams involved.

Will any of this happen? I doubt it, Bubbles doesn’t inspire bold moves, but one never knows………

A young impact player and 1st round picks would be ideal. I haven’t heard that Matthews is asking for a trade but that could come soon.

Finding a more comfortable place for Willie will be a little tougher.

 

[ToneDog]

DNA is very important for the right team but here are my 2 questions:

1. If Marner walks, do people think Matthews/Nylander have the DNA to lead us like a 4 round team?

2. Do you trust Tre to put the right guys around Matthews/Nylander to lead us through 4 rounds whether Matthews/Nylander can or cannot?

If you answer no to both of these, what are we doing exactly?

No and Yes. It only took a max of two years for Tre to determine that this team needs a change in DNA. Dubas and Shanny still have not figured it out. Sorry not buying Dubas would have traded Marner before he was fired. How could he, he bet everything on this core.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

We have all we need on high end offense .. we need to bolster our forward depth .. bottom line even as Keefer said we need to have 3 productive lines who can play 200 foot playoff hockey .. clearly we have never had it because of da overpays to a core 4 .. while now we got a chance to correct that sin with Mitch and JT leaving (unless JT agrees to play 3rd line LW) .. we have fixed da D and G largely with a Rielly issue overhanging team .. hopefully we can build a complete team for playoff hockey

 

[mclaren55]

We need a solid top 2 defender, I love Reilly but if he doesn't have a resurgence we are cooked. We need 1/2 top 6 guys, preferably a centre and winger. We have to rejig the bottom 6, most of our bottom 6 is UFA over the next two years anyway, might as well get a head start. I'm OK with the goaltending.

Forwards

Knies Matthews Nylander
Domi ___________ McMann
Jarnkrok Laughton ___________
_________ Kampf ___________

That's a rough looking forward group right now. Maybe we re-sign Robertson, maybe he doesn't want too. Patches coming back? My guess is no. Cowan I can't see making the step this upcoming season, but maybe he does and we have him on the wing on the 3rd line?

Defense

Reilly Carlo
McCabe Tanev
OEL Benoit

Goalies

Stolarz
Woll

So we have 4 spots we NEED to fill in the forward group, and given the current UFA list, it isn't looking like this year is going to be fun. We also have zero 1st rounders for the next three years, and only one 2nd rounder. That really limits our ability to trade. This seems like a middle of the pack team as it sits right now, good luck Tre!

 

[Larcos_Unal]

So who would return the most value in a trade?

Matthews all day and night even with Willie locked up for twice as long, but you don't trade a #1 C in his prime unless you're intention is to tank and start over.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

The Leafs need some violent highly aggressive players that love finishing their checks to change the DNA to one that is effective in the playoffs.

You need that on the bottom 6, players that like to inflict pain.
Jarnkrok, Robertson, Lorentz, Holmberg, Kampf, McMann, and even Laughton are just out there doing cardio.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

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[ULF_55]

Matthews all day and night even with Willie locked up for twice as long, but you don't trade a #1 C in his prime unless you're intention is to tank and start over.

So you wouldn't consider Hintz and Johnston for Matthews?

Yeah, they can have Robertson ...

 

[BrannigansLaw]

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[BraveCanadian]

It doesn’t matter who you sign when your top players are Matthew$ and Nylander and your highest paid D is Rielly. They don’t have the jam and they are the ones going over the boards in crunch time.

Very unlikely the team will be better this year.

 

[Maple Leaf]

It doesn’t matter who you sign when your top players are Matthew$ and Nylander and your highest paid D is Rielly. They don’t have the jam and they are the ones going over the boards in crunch time.

Very unlikely the team will be better this year.

That is true and has been true for a long time you could see the train coming from a mile away but Shnanahan is t