Who to sign to change the DNA?
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Punch Drunk Loov
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FerrisRox
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The first season without Gretzky they had Mark Messier as the first line centre with 94 points, Jimmy Carson as the second line centre with 100 points and Jari Kurri leading the team in scoring with 102 points.
They were able to move Gretzky and still have an elite offence. Tikkanen was well over a point-a-game that year too with 78 points in 67 games and Craig Simpson had 76 points in 66 games.
You are right, this is a very situation right now.
You're not going to change the DNA by swapping out 1 player for another. It's a very complicated issue.
Marner out Bennett/Marchand in, won't do anything. Unless you think Marner is 95% of the problem (absurd).
The reality is that there's no quick fix or 2 year retool. There's no point in waiting for a saviour (Mcdavid) to come home. All of the solutions that have been proposed most likely will not actually change anything.
It's like a rat infestation. You pretty much have to tear the whole thing down and give it many years before you can start building something new.
Marner out Bennett/Marchand in, won't do anything. Unless you think Marner is 95% of the problem (absurd).
The reality is that there's no quick fix or 2 year retool. There's no point in waiting for a saviour (Mcdavid) to come home. All of the solutions that have been proposed most likely will not actually change anything.
It's like a rat infestation. You pretty much have to tear the whole thing down and give it many years before you can start building something new.
It doesn't matter. Barring a team getting stupid and giving us assets for free, we're going into a prolonged period of missing the playoffs, and by the time we're ready to compete again, Treveling and Berube will be gone and we'll have a whole new team.
All you're really doing this offseason is seeing who wants to be overpaid at the end of their careers to be part of this collapse.
All you're really doing this offseason is seeing who wants to be overpaid at the end of their careers to be part of this collapse.
Commander Clueless
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Hate to say it ladies and gentlemen, but I think we're looking at a dying beast here.
I could always be wrong of course.
I could always be wrong of course.
ULF_55
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The birth has been unsuccessful for a decade, so no beast to die.
It would be hilarious if he re-signed, but I'm resigned to him leaving.
Can you imagine if Leafs made it to the finals 2 years in a row, only to lose both?
Thankfully, haven't had to invest very much in the mirage.
Losing Marner does not take this team from winning the division to missing the playoffs don't be ridiculous.
In order for this team to miss the playoffs even without Marner Matthews, Nylander, Knies, Domi, Laughton, Rielly, Carlo, McCabe, OEL Stolarz, AND Woll basically the ENTIRE team would have to go down with long term injury.
And in the event that happens guess what the 2026 pick is top 5 protected if your doomsday scenario were to come true and the ENTIRE team goes down with long term injury because that what it would take.
If that happens chances are they end up with a top 5 pick so they keep it.
And 2027 is top 10 protected so if things REALLY went off the rails our picks are protected
The problem is unless you are getting Mcdavid which you wouldn't be.
It is 100% impossible to trade Matthews and get better.
It CANNOT be done.
Marner is difficult but possible because Marner is a winger and wingers are significantly easier to replace.
Matthews is franchise center you CANNOT trade Matthews and get better.
Even in the best case scenario which is Edmonton trading Gretzky and winning the cup in 1990, even THEN the Oilers were not a better team without Gretzky they just weren't.
You CANNOT trade a franchise center and get better
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Also what would other teams trade for a franchise center? Would Florida trade Barkov and Bennett for Matthews?
You ask the question as if the Panthers don't have one.
the reality is unless Barkov gets busted for something horrific like murder or something he's a hall of fame lock.
The man is borderline dominant offensively
He's elite defensively given that he's won 3 Selke trophies
and he's won a championship and is one win away from his 2nd.
I don't know what point you think you have, but I assure you, you do not have it not even close.
Taylor Halls Teeth
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Healthy Matthews is a franchise center and near generational. But he hasn't stayed healthy and he could be gone
sorry but this team has peaked.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the Leafs are now headed into their downswing. They had their window, it didn't happen, and now they head into the negative phase of the cycle once again.
everyone's scrambling to find ways to deny this by having all these desperate trade/signing fantasies but there's no avoiding the truth.
seems like a lot of fans are in denial
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the Leafs are now headed into their downswing. They had their window, it didn't happen, and now they head into the negative phase of the cycle once again.
everyone's scrambling to find ways to deny this by having all these desperate trade/signing fantasies but there's no avoiding the truth.
seems like a lot of fans are in denial
ULF_55
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You seem to think a franchise center is unique but that Barkov is equal to Matthews.
So how is Matthews so unique? How many franchise centers exist? Or does that change depending on your argument?
I'd say there are 7 maybe 8 depending on how you feel about Jack Hughes.
For me the 7 are
Mcdavid
Matthews
Draisatil
Mackinnon
Crosby
Eichel
Barkov
Those are the 7 true franchise centers in my opinion
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Malachi Crunch
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We thought that after his first few games in the NHL, but presented with every opportunity to show he’s generational, he’s failed. He’s was supposed to be the face of US hockey but hasn’t lived up to it.
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That’s the question.
When Boston won, who is the franchise C: Bergeron or Krejci?
Is Toews a franchise C? 3 Cups.
Is Kopitar a franchise C? 2 Cups.
2019 Blues roster?
Datsyuk/Zetterberg
Ryan Getzlaf?
Backstrom/Kuznetsov?
Are any of these C equal to Matthews? Or is having 2 really good centers acceptable?
Tak7
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You don't change the "DNA" without getting rid of the guys that have been here for all the failures.
They won't realize that until it's too late.
They won't realize that until it's too late.
ToneDog
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Agreed, difference is Oilers had 2 #1Cs, Leafs barely have a #2C. Unless somebody makes me an offer for Matthews that I cannot refuse, building around this guy is our best option. Glad it will be Tre looking for the missing pieces and not Kyle.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
If you trade Matthews, you are not looking to immediately get better. You are in teardown and rebuild mode unless you get real lucky with the Matthews return. This franchise would never do it. Can't upset the Bay Street suits paying for the platinum seat and overpriced food and alcohol.
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