Who should take the blame in Toronto for letting Marner walk and get nothing in return?

[PistolPete]

Look at the mess in Toronto. Kept going all-in on a buttery soft core with no D or goaltending. No relevant hockey experience where he wasn't gifted a job through nepotism. He clearly has no understanding of the sport and it shows through his gross incompetence in two cities.

Have any specific moves in mind?

Not trying to set you up for a gotcha, genuinely curious about your perspective

 

[Suntouchable13]

Based on one year's work though?

I was just talking about this season. I do believe they are both above average NHL goalies going into next season.

 

[Fatass]

All I know is, I watched the vast majority of the games and I saw lots of times where Stolarz or Woll bailed them out. I think they are both above average NHL goalies. As a tandem, they were in the top 5.

With Marner and Tavares. It will be very difficult for those goalies to replicate their seasons without the two star forwards and an aging D. To be honest I’m struggling with the leafs roster. Domi is now their 2C. Not exactly sure who their 1RW is. These aren’t small holes. Matthews rumoured back troubles. This is the first in three years I’m not picking the Leafs to win it all. Imo this leafs lineup will be hard pressed to make the playoffs.

 

[ORRFForever]

Has he walked, yet?

 

[SomeDude]

The dudes that carjacked him.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

First year he's hit 100 points, so he's a 90 point player, which is still amazing.

No one is to blame.

Leafs went for it, hoping for a different outcome and nothing happened.

Still time they can make a trade with a team for that 8th year, but doesn't sound like he wants that right now.

If there is an issue, its with Shanahan who fired Dubas, which sounded like he was going to make actual changes to the core, likely Marner.

Gaylord, only the team that had his rights for the playoffs can offer the 8th year. And that contract has to be finalized before 7/1, and one UFA eligibility commences only 7 year contract can be offered.

To the OP question, vast majority Shanny.

 

[Oleksiak]

Have any specific moves in mind?

Not trying to set you up for a gotcha, genuinely curious about your perspective

Re-signing Rielly, Nylander, Marner. Getting Tavares when it was obvious they needed D. Firing Babcock for holding the kids accountable for floating. Kadri trade.

 

[PistolPete]

I was just talking about this season. I do believe they are both above average NHL goalies going into next season.

They had SV% above average so time will tell. Anton Forsberg taught me to not expect/hope too much from one season though...

 

[PistolPete]

Re-signing Rielly, Nylander, Marner. Getting Tavares when it was obvious they needed D. Firing Babcock for holding the kids accountable for floating. Kadri trade.

What about in Pittsburgh?

One thing I wonder was how much of these moves in Toronto were his own because Shanahan always struck me as a meddlesome type.

 

[MCR74]

Has he walked, yet?

Only a week and a few days to go.

 

[Oleksiak]

What about in Pittsburgh?

One thing I wonder was how much of these moves in Toronto were his own because Shanahan always struck me as a meddlesome type.

Karlsson trade was absolutely atrocious.

 

[MessierII]

Treliving is probably the only one involved that doesn't deserve blame.

Shanny deserves most of the blame followed by Dubas

Tre was the GM last summer no? When Marner stays he won’t extend you trade him right there.

 

[stevo61]

Tre was the GM last summer no? When Marner stays he won’t extend you trade him right there.

NMC. Forget if it was active the whole time but regardless, it was constantly Shanny that kept people from trading out someone in the core 4

 

[T REX]

I've always felt that the whole 'you have to trade a player before they get to FA' is overblown. In a cap world, cap space is huge. Sure you might not necessarily land an equivalent piece in free agency, but odds are if youre letting a 10 mil dollar player walk youre going to sign an 8 mil or so (or more) replacement.

Edit: the exception is if youre looking to rebuild. Then sure, you gotta move that piece and bring in some picks and youth. But if youre a team like TO who is most likely re-tooling/maintaining status quo, the loss can be negligible.

how many 100 pt scorers make it to FA?

 

[Grifter3511]

how many 100 pt scorers make it to FA?

What's your point? If he's replaced with some combination of Bennet, Ehlers, Boeser, Ekblad etc etc is it really a significant downgrade?

 

[T REX]

What's your point? If he's replaced with some combination of Bennet, Ehlers, Boeser, Ekblad etc etc is it really a significant downgrade?

Marner seems to be a punching bag while Matthews gets a free pass for choking. Weird to me.

 

[Grifter3511]

Marner seems to be a punching bag while Matthews gets a free pass for choking. Weird to me.

Not sure how that's related to my post but I do agree. I think Marner is the more valuable of the two.

 

[Antropovsky]

It's going to take a decade to undo the damage that hiring Dubas has done. That monstrosity of a contract should never have been signed.

That Marner contract was a generous deal by Mitch Marner in 2019.

Per Friedman back in 2019. Marner had pitched a 3x15 million dollar deal! He wanted it to be similar to Werenski, just for 3x more money.

Friedman 2019:

 

[ORRFForever]

Only a week and a few days to go.

I'd sign him and trade Nylander.

 

[SharksFan1992]

Shanahan is one of the worst idiots to ever gain any power in Toronto.

Ballard's last 13 years: 2 playoff round wins
Shanahan's 11 years: 2 playoff round wins

Hard to believe considering how amazing Shanahan was as a player.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

He'll probably blame the fans for being too hard on him

 

[SharksFan1992]

I'd sign him and trade Nylander.

Nylander is the one you keep. He's usually the only one out there who gives a crap come playoff time.

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

Toronto made a wise choice. He didn't walk for nothing. Toronto got his full contract worth. If you would have traded him, you lose him, but you get something else. Probably nothing awesome. We weren't talking first round, picks and prize prospects.

 

[thaman8765678]

Treliving will be remembered for being the GM who lost Johnny Hockey, Tkachuk and Marner for nothing.

 

[bobholly39]

It's going to take a decade to undo the damage that hiring Dubas has done. That monstrosity of a contract should never have been signed.

He was 8th in points and 8th in points per game across the whole league over the course of his contract. I think it was fine.