Who should take the blame in Toronto for letting Marner walk and get nothing in return?

[leafsfan5]

It's not on tre!

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I mean this situation literally isn't on Treliving. He tried to trade Marner to Vegas last summer and tried to trade him to Carolina for Rantanen at the TDL

He has wanted Marner gone for a while, the NMC that Dubas+Shanahan gave Marner prevented that

 

[Oleksiak]

Marner should have been traded after the Montreal series. It was clear even by then that the Core just didn't have what it took to be a playoff team. What the Leafs needed was a big trade ala Gilmour or Carter/Alomar to show everyone that winning is what matters and it doesn't matter if Matthews and Marner are best buddies. Marner's NMC hadn't kicked in then and his trade value still would have been high. Whoever didn't have the balls to do that should take the blame.

In general though, hiring a GM barely older than the players was boneheaded. The "We can and we will" attitude to giving the players everything they wanted before they had earned it set a bad precedent. Ultimately, I put the blame on Shanahan for hiring an inexperienced GM. That should have never happened.

Yup. Dubas should have been getting coffee for the people in the front office, not making any kind of hockey decisions. Putting an unqualified analytics dweeb in charge should have cost Shannahan his job long before it did.

 

[BenchBrawl]

A gift in disguise for Toronto.

Would not be surprised if they performed better in the playoffs next year.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

A gift in disguise for Toronto.

Would not be surprised if they performed better in the playoffs next year.

Yup, while Matthews continues to struggle.

 

[Breakers]

Dreger and Lebrun have both said Marner still feels slighted by the Schedule A bonuses.

Literally every damn first round pick gets them on a scale.

But he didn’t get them at all after a record breaking draft year plus 1

And Lou have them to Matthews but not Marner for some power trip move

 

[BenchBrawl]

Yup, while Matthews continues to struggle.

Maybe, maybe not. I don't know what's going on over there. Maybe it wakes him up.

 

[Oleksiak]

Marner and Nylander should have both been moved the minute they complained about Babcock trying to turn them into men. Letting these entitled cowards run the show is what's created a culture of losing in Toronto.

 

[NinjaKick]

Once that happened Shannahan stepped in and handled the contracts for his boys aka The Shannaplan. Shannahan gave Marner the contract and Shannahan gave the NTC to Marner

Shannahan exclusively handled the contracts? you have a source for that? because the source I posted says no, and in fact, Dubas points out himself that he made a mistake lol...

your blaming one guy to make an excuse for the other when both failed

Dubas said he didn't have full control of the team.

does he have full control in Pittsburgh? because they've been a disaster... whats the excuse for that?

 

[Shark Finn]

Holy crap first time reading how much Shanahan influenced the decision making. That's crazy if Marner was being shopped around in 2023 by Dubas only for Dubas to get fired.

 

[ITM]

As a Habs fan. The fault is definitely with Brandon Shanahan.

Dubas tried to trade one of the core 4 before the NMCs kicked in and was fired that same week.

Marner had a NMC and his wife was expected to give birth less than a month after the trade deadline so can't blame him for not waiting.

When Brad showed up the NMC kicked in like 2 weeks later and his boss fired the previous guy for trying to trade Marner.

100% on Shanny.

Incorrect. Dubas attempted to move Knies in another deal and the deal was nixed by Shanahan and Dubas retained his job. He wasn't fired for trying to trade a Core 4 player. He was fired for attempting to leverage his contract status, publicly and then privately.

 

[ITM]

Holy crap first time reading how much Shanahan influenced the decision making. That's crazy if Marner was being shopped around in 2023 by Dubas only for Dubas to get fired.

See above. Dubas was not fired for trying to move Marner.

 

[Hextallent63]

I mean him not signing is in the past, I think the question now is can they do something in free agency to help the team. I hope they don't use that money and give out big contracts.

 

[ITM]

I mean him not signing is in the past, I think the question now is can they do something in free agency to help the team. I hope they don't use that money and give out big contracts.

If management does its proof positive that the organization is insane or malevolent. Also might be redundant at this point but...

 

[WarriorofTime]

Unless you were ready to pay market value on July 1, 2024 then I’d trade him then before the NMC kicked in. I don’t think going all in was the right move. Tough call. Had they won a cup it’d be worth it but they had just lost to Boston. Hard to go from that to winning the Cup.

 

[DFC]

Shanahan and Marner himself.

 

[PistolPete]

It doesn't look good.

NHL Insider Says Mitch Marner Won't Even Talk To The Maple Leafs

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He wants a Cup.

And he knows it's not going to haooen in T.O. wirh Matthews leading the way

Smart lad.

Whoever signs him thinking he'll help win a Cup? Dumb lad.

 

[FiveTacos]

The moment they decided not to trade him before his clause kicked in, they were basically saying they were willing to risk him walking for nothing. So be it.

If I was a GM, the only way I'd give out NTCs is if the player signed a two-way deal.

That's great, but no player with any sort of value would ever agree to that.

Marner refusing to veto his NTC to go to Carolina and then signing with the Canes in the off-season would be super on-brand for him.

Why shouldn't he veto when his wife was about to have a baby? Any man who would say yes to a trade in that scenario is a poor excuse for a husband/father, which is far more important than trying to please a fanbase that hates you anyway.

The time to get something for him was 2 years ago before the clause kicked in. Once it kicked in, he wasn't going anywhere.

 

[PistolPete]

Blame MlSE for hiring s moron as their president, and when his first 6 year contract was up, MLSE gave him another 5 years. Bozos.

How can you trust a man who steals a teammates wife?

Shady character

 

[PistolPete]

Could not care less, but I love it.

#57 years

57 seasons...58 years....

Bigger numbers are better....size matters

 

[Fatass]

100pt players don't grow on trees. Marner is an elite impact player. He was the Leafs best player this season. Leafs could have addressed some of their weaknesses had they been able to trade Marner instead of having him walk for nothing. He had a NTC so Leafs management's hands were tied. Treliving tried to trade him for Rantanen at the deadline but Marner would not waive his clause.

Who should take the blame? Dubas for giving him that term with a NTC? Or Shanahan?

Shamahan.
Treliving was only on the job for a few weeks before Marner’s NMC kicked in.
Dubass did like all GM’s do, and used NMC’s as a lure. Plus, these huge solar contract need approval from above, as do big name trades. No GM has total free rein when the biggest moves/signings are happening. Goes up the ladder to the POHO and ownership.
This was Shamahan. He would need to approve big moves and recommend to ownership what he thought was the best course to take.

 

[Fatass]

How can you trust a man who steals a teammates wife?

Shady character

How can you trust a wife who allows herself to be stolen? Too many hockey players, seemingly, marry hood ornaments.

 

[PistolPete]

How can you trust a wife who allows herself to be stolen? Too many hockey players, seemingly, marry hood ornaments.

That's probably why a lot of them marry their HS sweetheart

 

[Peat]

100pt players don't grow on trees. Marner is an elite impact player. He was the Leafs best player this season. Leafs could have addressed some of their weaknesses had they been able to trade Marner instead of having him walk for nothing. He had a NTC so Leafs management's hands were tied. Treliving tried to trade him for Rantanen at the deadline but Marner would not waive his clause.

Who should take the blame? Dubas for giving him that term with a NTC? Or Shanahan?

At a quick glance at puckipedia, 90% of contracts at Marner's dollar value comes with an NTC. I don't see any GM persuading Marner he shouldn't be getting what all his peers were getting.

 

[SheldonJPlankton]

 

[PistolPete]

At a quick glance at puckipedia, 90% of contracts at Marner's dollar value comes with an NTC. I don't see any GM persuading Marner he shouldn't be getting what all his peers were getting.

It's a shame these even exist as an option for the players.