Apparently per an interview referenced on the Penguins board, Shero delegated all draft decisions to his scouts.
Speculation: Who should be the new GM of the Washington Capitals?
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ChibiPooky
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That's reassuring. Keep Mahoney & Co and that situation looks a lot better. Still think I prefer Howson + Mahoney.
Langway
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Martin & Michalek were better UFA D signings than anyone McPhee ever signed. A low bar but combined with Trotz and hopefully a better evaluation braintrust added perhaps that improves further still. Post-Gill/Scuderi they never really built it back up tremendously well but some of those years have a lot to do with the sieve in net and their overall system/approach.
It does feel weird debating the merits of a Pittsburgh guy. As a quick route to landing Trotz I would be alright with it provided his answer as to lessons learned is satisfactory. It seems to me like Pittsburgh's ownership gave him enough rope to hang himself. Had they subtly influenced his approach more broadly during annual reviews or something maybe he wouldn't need to be axed and that team is closer to being on course today. Washington's ownership might not give him total autonomy but given his trade history maybe they would be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt? Worth considering as a potential advantage perhaps. Given their general aversion to bigger moves he might be a little more reassuring than a first-timer. If they're going the experienced route then I think it's got to be either him or Howson.
It does feel weird debating the merits of a Pittsburgh guy. As a quick route to landing Trotz I would be alright with it provided his answer as to lessons learned is satisfactory. It seems to me like Pittsburgh's ownership gave him enough rope to hang himself. Had they subtly influenced his approach more broadly during annual reviews or something maybe he wouldn't need to be axed and that team is closer to being on course today. Washington's ownership might not give him total autonomy but given his trade history maybe they would be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt? Worth considering as a potential advantage perhaps. Given their general aversion to bigger moves he might be a little more reassuring than a first-timer. If they're going the experienced route then I think it's got to be either him or Howson.
NoMoreChoking
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If he tried to trade letang, I want him hired now. We can get him to trade Green
Letang for Voracek/Simmonds would have been a ridiculous steal for Pittsburgh. Enjoy that contract 
I'm a big fan of his trades. For a team like the Caps that need to be re-tooled, I can't think of a better fit than a Cup winning GM who knows how to get value in significant deals.
fedfed
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How many re-tools has Shero done as a GM? None.
We might as well hire a rookie GM.
Also, tell me how great the trades for Douglas Murray and Brenden Morrow were
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I'm curious if Shero bringing in those players was his fault or Bylsma's fault. I mean, I look at it like the Erat and Penner situation. Sure, they weren't great trades but the coach completely mismanaged them. They should have been much more effective then they were
SimplySensational
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How many re-tools has Shero done as a GM? None.
We might as well hire a rookie GM.
Also, tell me how great the trades for Douglas Murray and Brenden Morrow were
Oh come on, you know those trades are fine for a Stanley Cup contender.
NoMoreChoking
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Hate Shero or not, he can make some damn trades.
He got Kunitz for what like a 4th or something?
He got Kunitz for what like a 4th or something?
PuckBuddy
Green for Selke
For Ryan Whitney. Straight up, I think. It seemed pretty even, or possibly even a slight loss for the Pens, at the time, but in retrospect that was definitely the peak of Whitney's trade value.
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Whitney for Kunitz and Tangradi, who was Ducks 2nd best prospect at the time, behind Bobby Ryan. Shero traded him at the right time because once he was a Duck, he was done. He also did the famous Goligoski for Neal+Niskanen, which was a complete face slapper for Dallas.
I don't have proof but i think the Pens direction as a team is all Mario's doing after that Pens/Islanders brawl a few years ago. before that? Shero brought the Pens toughness and made a hell of a team, then all of a sudden this team happened. Shero's drafting is good if you want good young PMD(which are worth a LOT in todays game), Pens have the best defense in the NHL for prospect pool, but he's HORRIBLE at drafting wingers, and he rarely goes outside NA, so you will be looking at mostly North American guys. He MAY take a risk every now and then, but he's pretty much drafting the same types of NA guys and by that mostly Dmen.
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On the Pens board apparently it was said in an interview that the drafting was relegated to the scouts. If that's true, and the Caps keep their scouts, then it will be fine. Caps have drafted extremely well under Mahoney.Whitney for Kunitz and Tangradi, who was Ducks 2nd best prospect at the time, behind Bobby Ryan. Shero traded him at the right time because once he was a Duck, he was done. He also did the famous Goligoski for Neal+Niskanen, which was a complete face slapper for Dallas.
I don't have proof but i think the Pens direction as a team is all Mario's doing after that Pens/Islanders brawl a few years ago. before that? Shero brought the Pens toughness and made a hell of a team, then all of a sudden this team happened. Shero's drafting is good if you want good young PMD(which are worth a LOT in todays game), Pens have the best defense in the NHL for prospect pool, but he's HORRIBLE at drafting wingers, and he rarely goes outside NA, so you will be looking at mostly North American guys. He MAY take a risk every now and then, but he's pretty much drafting the same types of NA guys and by that mostly Dmen.
How many re-tools has Shero done as a GM? None.
We might as well hire a rookie GM.
Also, tell me how great the trades for Douglas Murray and Brenden Morrow were
I wouldn't call those significant.
The point being the Caps need to re-structure their team and there's a Cup-winning (not to mention how many Eastern Conference Finals appearances?) GM available whose best attribute is his big deals.
It's an obvious fit.
fedfed
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Yeah, he just shipped out a top D prospect in one of those. No big.
Your point is like: I need to build a house, that's why I need to call a furniture salesman...
You need furniture at some point, but we're still a long way from needing it.
How about building a house first?
fedfed
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No they're not. Blackhawks don't do these, LA don't do these, Hawks don't do these. They all prioritize building an organization, not 12 forwards, 6 d-men and 1-2 goalies. They all prioritize feeding the org via the Draft, even if they acquired some of the stars (like Richards and Carter) via trades.
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You boys have talked me into Shero. Of course at this point I'd be happy to learn that Ted is actually aware there's a staff shortage.
You are so emphatic about Chicago, you mentioned them twice? I assume you meant the Bruins? And they do pick up players during the season, and at the deadline.
Let's look at the Easts remaining two teams. Habs and Rags. Both made significant moves during the season, and at the deadline. Vanek and St Louis?
I also see that the Kings added Gaborik at the TDL. Thats not significant?
It all comes down to what you see the Caps as being. Frankly, once they got Ovechkin, they are a team that isn't going to rebuild. George kept us looking that way due to all the young players he kept force feeding the team....but they should not be rebuilding unless you trade 8. George traded youth for Ribeiro and Erat. Those were obviously the wrong players to change course on.
You honestly think that had Shero been the GM since 2008, for the Caps, that their playoff failures would have been the same? I don't. I think the team would have looked worlds different, as Shero values things apart from George.
Shero is a good hire for this time. The team, the fans, the franchise, need it.
So it probably won't happen.
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McPhees idea of a trade deadline acquisition was getting a player back from a concussion (or any injury) who was fringe to begin with.
NoMoreChoking
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The fact that we might get Shero and a lot of us here want him means we aren't going to get him
Shero is not my top choice but I would be fine with him. He atleast tried to address the defense issues the Penguins had. The failure is more on Bylsma IMO. Perfect example is Michalek, struggled mightly under Bylsma then went back to the Coyotes and was back to
form. I think they seen the same thing with Scuderi this year struggling under Bylsma's system.
If Bylsma comes with Shero I wouldn't be so happy but from reports it appears their relationship has been strained since the USA Olympics failure.
form. I think they seen the same thing with Scuderi this year struggling under Bylsma's system.
If Bylsma comes with Shero I wouldn't be so happy but from reports it appears their relationship has been strained since the USA Olympics failure.
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