Who is the worst GM the Leafs have had in the past decade?

[Duckrider]

I have no problem with Lou being the best, or Nonis the worst, although I think more of his problems are due to Burke, who hired the incompetent.

But I don't see how Dubas is worse than Burke.

I would put Burke and Nonis about even for terrible, Lou easily the best, and Dubas somewhere in between, but still to early to tell.

What Lou did that was great was the teardown. But once that was all over all he did was get Anderson. The rest were big negatives. Marleau set us back years alone.

 

[ACC1224]

What Lou did that was great was the teardown. But once that was all over all he did was get Anderson. The rest were big negatives. Marleau set us back years alone.

How many years?

 

[Mess]

Lou Lam leads Leafs to record breaking season. Little to no argument as to who is the best.

Toronto Maple Leafs set a franchise record with 105 points in the 2017-18 regular season.

2017-18: 82 games, 105 points, .640 PTS%

As previously mentioned, the 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs set the franchise record for points in a season. Despite setting that record, this Leafs team ranks as the sixth best regular season by points percentage.

No Toronto team that has played more than 70 games has posted a better points percentage than the 2017-18 Leafs. To put it in perspective, the NHL hasn’t had a 70 game regular season since 1966-67. If that doesn’t tell you how impressive this 2017-18 regular season was, I don’t know what would.

 

[egd27]

Marleau set us back years alone.

It cost us a first to get rid of him, which I admit was a valuable asset lost, but please explain how that set us back years.

 

[The CyNick]

Lou Lam leads Leafs to record breaking season. Little to no argument as to who is the best.

Toronto Maple Leafs set a franchise record with 105 points in the 2017-18 regular season.

2017-18: 82 games, 105 points, .640 PTS%

As previously mentioned, the 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs set the franchise record for points in a season. Despite setting that record, this Leafs team ranks as the sixth best regular season by points percentage.

No Toronto team that has played more than 70 games has posted a better points percentage than the 2017-18 Leafs. To put it in perspective, the NHL hasn’t had a 70 game regular season since 1966-67. If that doesn’t tell you how impressive this 2017-18 regular season was, I don’t know what would.

And then did even better in his next stop.

 

[Dekes For Days]

No Toronto team that has played more than 70 games has posted a better points percentage than the 2017-18 Leafs.

Largely due to points being inflated in recent years due to the extra points given in shootout/OT games. And shootout wins is a big part of how they got those points. It doesn't mean as much as you claim. 2018-2019 was better.

 

[nuck]

It cost us a first to get rid of him, which I admit was a valuable asset lost, but please explain how that set us back years.

Yes Marleau so they don't sign JT and they keep Kadri plus that 1st and don't add the two Colorado boys. Marleau was a bad signing but its only a big issue if they want that money for JT. I doubt that a team with Marleau and Kadri would have been any less successful than this years club. That is a hickup, I think the Zaitsev contract was worse. Lou didn't need the Marleau cap space if he had no intention of adding Tavares. With Zaits he gambled that he would lock the guy up and have a high value long term deal once the NZ improved at all, except he never improved. The attempt to steal a bargain ended up being a tax instead. I asked before, what are the odds that Marleau declines the Leafs crazy generous deal without the NM in the 3rd year? I say probably zero and Lou got pned because he didn't care enough to push the matter, like Burke not asking for top 5 or top 10 protection in the Kessel trade. If Lou said no to the last two years for Zaitsev does the deal go south? Too cocky IMO.

The contracts for the big 4 are what has crushed the Leafs cap, not a few million in inherited deals from Lou. Its grasping to suggest Lou should have anticipated record setting signings right after the Marleau deal, but its also grasping to think Dubas could anticipate the flat cap or that Nylander would rather sit than play hockey for the same money his comps were getting.

 

[egd27]

Yes Marleau so they don't sign JT and they keep Kadri plus that 1st and don't add the two Colorado boys. Marleau was a bad signing but its only a big issue if they want that money for JT. I doubt that a team with Marleau and Kadri would have been any less successful than this years club. That is a hickup, I think the Zaitsev contract was worse. Lou didn't need the Marleau cap space if he had no intention of adding Tavares. With Zaits he gambled that he would lock the guy up and have a high value long term deal once the NZ improved at all, except he never improved. The attempt to steal a bargain ended up being a tax instead. I asked before, what are the odds that Marleau declines the Leafs crazy generous deal without the NM in the 3rd year? I say probably zero and Lou got pned because he didn't care enough to push the matter, like Burke not asking for top 5 or top 10 protection in the Kessel trade. If Lou said no to the last two years for Zaitsev does the deal go south? Too cocky IMO.

The contracts for the big 4 are what has crushed the Leafs cap, not a few million in inherited deals from Lou. Its grasping to suggest Lou should have anticipated record setting signings right after the Marleau deal, but its also grasping to think Dubas could anticipate the flat cap or that Nylander would rather sit than play hockey for the same money his comps were getting.

So you are agreeing that the Marleau signing did not set the Leafs back years?

 

[nuck]

So you are agreeing that the Marleau signing did not set the Leafs back years?

Its pretty obvious he didn't. Only the clubs failure to add the best people holds them back and that is something that resets every year.

 

[Stamkos4life]

You'd almost think a team should improve by adding one then.

But if everyone knew they were going to regress, then it was a poorly timed (and unnecessary) acquisition.

Leads me to believe that Dubas didn't think they were going to regress. In fact, none of folks that constantly defend Dubas thought they were going to regress.

So the "everybody knew" line is ridiculous.....hell, the charter members of the Dubas Fan Club spend half their days hunting for obscure and irrelevant statistics to try and convince people the team hasn't regressed.

Rofl well said!

 

[Cams]

Are they still "regressing" if they put up another 100 pt season next? Or should we be expecting a lottery pick with this regression? Maybe a demotion to the AHL - now that's regressing!

 

[ShaneFalco]

Lou Lam was gm when they had the highest point total therefor no other factors can be considered - he's the best regular season GM EVER!'

 

[nuck]

Lou Lam was gm when they had the highest point total therefor no other factors can be considered - he's the best regular season GM EVER!'

That seems like an odd bit of salt when his current Leaf caliber team was 1g away from the finals. Don't confuse correcting people who try to make Zaits and Marleau into franchise killers with being in love with Lou. Dubas doesn't need people to slag Lamoriello to elevate his worth and LL isn't defined by those two deals.

KDs 108 votes in this thread are driven mostly by a bad almost playoff. I am guessing a lot of those people don't remember who Nonis is

 

[ShaneFalco]

That seems like an odd bit of salt when his current Leaf caliber team was 1g away from the finals. Don't confuse correcting people who try to make Zaits and Marleau into franchise killers with being in love with Lou. Dubas doesn't need people to slag Lamoriello to elevate his worth and LL isn't defined by those two deals.

Oh boy

 

[Mess]

Yes Marleau so they don't sign JT and they keep Kadri plus that 1st and don't add the two Colorado boys. Marleau was a bad signing but its only a big issue if they want that money for JT. I doubt that a team with Marleau and Kadri would have been any less successful than this years club. That is a hickup, I think the Zaitsev contract was worse. Lou didn't need the Marleau cap space if he had no intention of adding Tavares. With Zaits he gambled that he would lock the guy up and have a high value long term deal once the NZ improved at all, except he never improved. The attempt to steal a bargain ended up being a tax instead. I asked before, what are the odds that Marleau declines the Leafs crazy generous deal without the NM in the 3rd year? I say probably zero and Lou got pned because he didn't care enough to push the matter, like Burke not asking for top 5 or top 10 protection in the Kessel trade. If Lou said no to the last two years for Zaitsev does the deal go south? Too cocky IMO.

The contracts for the big 4 are what has crushed the Leafs cap, not a few million in inherited deals from Lou. Its grasping to suggest Lou should have anticipated record setting signings right after the Marleau deal, but its also grasping to think Dubas could anticipate the flat cap or that Nylander would rather sit than play hockey for the same money his comps were getting.

If Dubas signs Marner to the Point bridge deal of $6.75 mil instead of $10.893 mil the Leafs save $4.14 mil cap space and all but $2 mil of Marleau's contract is covered.

If you keep Kadri at $4.5 mil instead of trade him for Kerfoot @$3.5 mil & Barrie at $2.75 mil and you have the balance of Marleau right there, even signing JT to his $11 mil deal.

So all we needed was a good GM that kept Marleau (for 1 more year), and our 1st 13th overall avoiding that bad trade, and keep Kadri & our 3rd and not make that bad trade for Kerfoot/Barrie and sign Marner to a comparable bridge contract and not a bad overpayment signing and problem solved.

Ops sorry I got a little sidetracked there, and was too focused on what a GOOD GM would do, in a thread that is asking who was the worst.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If Dubas signs Marner to the Point bridge deal of $6.75 mil instead of $10.893 mil the Leafs save $4.14 mil cap space

But he wasn't going to sign for that, no matter who the GM was, because he was a better player than that and had earned more. A bridge also would have been a bad idea in anything other than a global pandemic flat cap environment, so that's entirely hindsight.

If you keep Kadri at $4.5 mil instead of trade him for Kerfoot @$3.5 mil & Barrie at $2.75 mil

Then you need a top-4 defenseman out of thin air for 1.75m.

 

[nuck]

If Dubas signs Marner to the Point bridge deal of $6.75 mil instead of $10.893 mil the Leafs save $4.14 mil cap space and all but $2 mil of Marleau's contract is covered.

If you keep Kadri at $4.5 mil instead of trade him for Kerfoot @$3.5 mil & Barrie at $2.75 mil and you have the balance of Marleau right there, even signing JT to his $11 mil deal.

So all we needed was a good GM that kept Marleau (for 1 more year), and our 1st 13th overall avoiding that bad trade, and keep Kadri & our 3rd and not make that bad trade for Kerfoot/Barrie and sign Marner to a comparable bridge contract and not a bad overpayment signing and problem solved.

Ops sorry I got a little sidetracked there, and was too focused on what a GOOD GM would do, in a thread that is asking who was the worst.

Hindsight is always 20-20. I believe if KD had a do-over he would have traded Willie that summer which would have led to Marner under $8M and Matthews for a better deal and the Marleau trade doesn't need to happen. Dubas plan was predicated on Willie and the others being reasonable and taking market comparable deals. Nylander's power play killed that. His mistake was not realizing what Nylander was in time.

Kadri was always outbound as he is overkill for a 14:00 TOI #3c. Assuming Willie goes for D they don't need Barrie so they have other options to get their value for Kadri. In his defense Gaudreau had the same agent and tried the same thing but ended up signing for a fair number. So the chain reaction is started by Willie and its only fair that he gets traded to solve the RD need. I know Dubas has to be reading this thread and thinking the same thing. "We can and we will trade your ass".

 

[A1LeafNation]

Hindsight is always 20-20. I believe if KD had a do-over he would have traded Willie that summer which would have led to Marner under $8M and Matthews for a better deal and the Marleau trade doesn't need to happen. Dubas plan was predicated on Willie and the others being reasonable and taking market comparable deals. Nylander's power play killed that. His mistake was not realizing what Nylander was in time.

Kadri was always outbound as he is overkill for a 14:00 TOI #3c. Assuming Willie goes for D they don't need Barrie so they have other options to get their value for Kadri. In his defense Gaudreau had the same agent and tried the same thing but ended up signing for a fair number. So the chain reaction is started by Willie and its only fair that he gets traded to solve the RD need. I know Dubas has to be reading this thread and thinking the same thing. "We can and we will trade your ass".

If Dubas did a do-over, you sign Nylander right away, Sign Matthews to his deal and let Marner sit his ass out for the season if he doesn't agree to a 9M per deal.

 

[Joedoggy]

Lets see if Dubas can reverse his direction...gunna be pretty hard unless he unloads 1 or 2..one being a big money contract...otherwise the direction will continue to be bring up Ahl'ers.

Its possible he can fix whats broken...but that would entail unloading a few previous moves....Frankly he is more likely to stay the coarse thinking he is on the right track.

You cannot win with 2 top lines that are soft and 1 way players...then having the bottom six filled out with Ahl players you think possibly could be top 6 in time....Winners are not built like this...Good teams have strong all around players in the bottom 6...top six offensive in nature but often one way players.

Anyone watching the East conf finals would see how important a bottom six line like the Islanders
have..they control games...NYI unfortunately once they get involved in the special teams game...the P.P. was having trouble scoring...Pk is good....but Toi wise Ny could not get this bottom six line out 5 on 5 enough because of the special teams game.....Result?..eliminated..But they did good.

BTW...the special teams coach there is Ex Leaf..P.P. guy.

 

[nuck]

If Dubas did a do-over, you sign Nylander right away, Sign Matthews to his deal and let Marner sit his ass out for the season if he doesn't agree to a 9M per deal.

Nylander already got .5M more than he should have after holding out a third of the season including crazy front loading. That wasn't his starting point, that is where they met so signing right away might have cost north of $7.5M. No basis for that number although it would get Mitch for $8.5M or less because he wouldn't have started his 94pt pace. They save almost $3M and maybe another 6 or 8 hundred k on AM so Dubas keeps his fab four. Agreed, he would overpay the guy and still avoid the chain reaction that followed it.