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MacKinnon is getting severely overrated for someone who hasn't won a thing in the last 3 years. It's annoying watching Kucherov get disrespected. TSN had him at #7 like a month ago
Who is the 2nd best player currently?
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Nathaniel Skywalker
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I’d add Eichel over a few of these guys. For example, Matthews and Eichel at this point are at best equal.
He's not clearly better than anyone on this list, but yes he has a good argument for top 10 especially going forward.
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Their entire careers have overlapped
Kucherov: 547pts in 515 GP = 1.06 PPG
MacK: 495pts in 525 GP = 0.94 PPG
Since Mack's breakout in 17/18
Kucherov: 313pts in 230 GP = 1.36 PPG
MacK: 289pts in 225 GP = 1.28 PPG
Top 10 goals: 3-3
2,6,9 vs 6,9,9
Top 10 pts: 4-3, Kucherov
1,3,5,7 vs 5,5,7
Top 10 hart: 3-3
1,6,8 vs 2,2,6
AST: 4-2, Kucherov
1,1,2,2 vs 2,2
Kucherov has better goal finishes, better (and more) pt finishes and he actually has individual hardware, unlike MacK who has never been within single digits of a ross. Kucherov also just had the 2nd highest scoring playoff run in the last 25 years. So better finishes in everything, way better peak season, best playoff run, actually has individual hardware and a cup but MacK is better. Makes sense considering how overrated he's become.
Kucherov: 547pts in 515 GP = 1.06 PPG
MacK: 495pts in 525 GP = 0.94 PPG
Since Mack's breakout in 17/18
Kucherov: 313pts in 230 GP = 1.36 PPG
MacK: 289pts in 225 GP = 1.28 PPG
Top 10 goals: 3-3
2,6,9 vs 6,9,9
Top 10 pts: 4-3, Kucherov
1,3,5,7 vs 5,5,7
Top 10 hart: 3-3
1,6,8 vs 2,2,6
AST: 4-2, Kucherov
1,1,2,2 vs 2,2
Kucherov has better goal finishes, better (and more) pt finishes and he actually has individual hardware, unlike MacK who has never been within single digits of a ross. Kucherov also just had the 2nd highest scoring playoff run in the last 25 years. So better finishes in everything, way better peak season, best playoff run, actually has individual hardware and a cup but MacK is better. Makes sense considering how overrated he's become.
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I agree due to his consistency, playoff performance(s), and awards won. However, I can see the argument for Mac, Crosby, or Drai and they would round out my top 5 with McDavid.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it appears that finishing first in things matters (who would've known!?!?). Huh, like winning a Hart, Art Ross, Lindsey, and Stanley Cup all within the past three years. I find it interesting that actually winning things doesn't really count in these discussions...in before the "hockey is a team game" argument. Kucherov is #2, I concur.
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Stop using top 10 in hart. Anything passed 5th is irrelevant as u can be 8th with like 2 votes
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I agree with the latter. As for the former, who is #1 and then who did you vote for as #2 as McDavid wasn't an option?
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I feel his style is built for the playoffs and he has a gear that McDavid might not. Kucherov is already playoff proven but it does help when your on Tampa
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Do Tampa fans think Kucherov is better than Hedman? I know people have said losing Hedman hurts the team more but that's obviously because Tampa has a lot of great forwards.
On other hand Mackinnon was better 2 of last 3 seasons and Kucherov in his '2 highest scoring playoff run in last 25 years' was probably 3rd best players on his own team.
Just for little perspective.
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Because if you did a poll for who #1 player is he'd win in an absolute landslide. Even if you don't personally agree - just makes sense to talk about #2 instead and assume McDavid is #1
I think if you ask me who the better player is now between Kuch or Mack I'd say it's close. I agree Mack gets overrated a lot - and people too quickly say "he's #2 unanimously, or even #1 above McDavid" too often lately, which are ridiculous takes.
I think it's a toss up between Kucherov and Mack - but if you're trying to say it should be Kucherov unanimously I certainly wouldn't go that far.
Better accomplishments? Better career to date? Sure - give me Kucherov easily. But better player today? If you look at past 3 years, it's pretty close in terms of performance. You could argue Mack has 2 of the 3 better seasons, and as great as Kucherov was in playoffs last year Mack was outstanding himself. Kuch plays on a better team, which helps his production at least a bit, and he also plays the less important position (winger vs center).
I'd have McDavid #1 - and I'd have Kuch/Mack round up the top 3, in whatever order. I think it's close between the 2.
Avs fan voting MacK but Dr. Drai and Hedman are right there with him IMO.
Last 3 years
Kucherov = 313 points and 1.36 points per game.
Mackinnon = 289 points and 1.28 points per game.
Kucherov for me gets the edge he also just won a cup which is something.
last 3 years
1. McDavid - 1.43 PPG
2. Kucherov - 1.36 PPG
3. Mackinnon - 1.28 PPG
Kucherov = 313 points and 1.36 points per game.
Mackinnon = 289 points and 1.28 points per game.
Kucherov for me gets the edge he also just won a cup which is something.
last 3 years
1. McDavid - 1.43 PPG
2. Kucherov - 1.36 PPG
3. Mackinnon - 1.28 PPG
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