Who goes 1st OA

[ExtraLoveSauce]

I am not sure why Hagens is in this conversation. I will no be surprised if Hagens is still on the board after the first five picks

Underwhelming year for a potential no.1 pick but the sky high ceiling is there vision skating and two way play. 1ppg as an undersized freshman is pretty good but misa and martone looked more impressive while people might also like o'brien's offensive ceiling more and desoyners had an outstanding year, hagens might not had the type of year for a touted unanimous first overall fwd but he is every bit up there with the top forwards of the draft and could see him going 1st to 6th overall at the latest, reminds me of rnh and has incredible iq and vision with the great skating meanwhile Schaeffer played only 22 games they were great but it could've been a hot start it's easy to imagine he plays the full year and his production and play don't keep up but that elite no.1 ceiling is there and evident but nothing is a sure thing. Maybe the isles could swing a trade to Utah for no.4 with something around horvat a 2nd and Dobson with Utah sending a dman back

 

[bme44]

Underwhelming year for a potential no.1 pick but the sky high ceiling is there vision skating and two way play. 1ppg as an undersized freshman is pretty good but misa and martone looked more impressive while people might also like o'brien's offensive ceiling more and desoyners had an outstanding year, hagens might not had the type of year for a touted unanimous first overall fwd but he is every bit up there with the top forwards of the draft and could see him going 1st to 6th overall at the latest, reminds me of rnh and has incredible iq and vision with the great skating meanwhile Schaeffer played only 22 games they were great but it could've been a hot start it's easy to imagine he plays the full year and his production and play don't keep up but that elite no.1 ceiling is there and evident but nothing is a sure thing. Maybe the isles could swing a trade to Utah for no.4 with something around horvat a 2nd and Dobson with Utah sending a dman back

Hagens could go as high as third at best IMO. However he could also drop farther Martone and Desnoyers are players that very well could be drafted before Hagens . Every organization will evaluate prospects differently .

 

[Fatass]

With how quick this draft falls off I’m wondering if we more picks traded? Could this be the year top 5 picks move?

 

[ExtraLoveSauce]

With how quick this draft falls off I’m wondering if we more picks traded? Could this be the year top 5 picks move?

With the Byram situation especially depending on who is available and if there are no players wee want I could see a Byram and 2nd for the fourth overall along with rosen allowing the Sabres to pick 4th and 9th overall and if they do that on draft day we can flip those picks to a rebuilder for roster players say pulock+horvat but they'd have to wave a more realistic option is a three way trade for Romanov and hayton to buffalo with the 4th and rosen and 2nd going to nyi and Byram , quinn and 9th ++ to utah

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I am not sure why Hagens is in this conversation. I will not be surprised if Hagens is still on the board after the first five picks

He's in the "conversation" because he's one of the top prospects in the draft and because of the local factor. A bunch of people who have never seen him play stat watching isn't helping the discourse.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I am not sure why Hagens is in this conversation. I will not be surprised if Hagens is still on the board after the first five picks

Another poster mentioned this recently but the Hagens hate has gotten out of hand IMO. I don't think he's any worse than #3 or #4. But who knows.

 

[bme44]

He's in the "conversation" because he's one of the top prospects in the draft and because of the local factor. A bunch of people who have never seen him play stat watching isn't helping the discourse.

He is a top prospect, true but for him to be drafted any higher than third at best would be very surprising. It is more probable for Hagens to fall out the top 5 than it is for him to go first . Which is what I was responding too. Hagens going first

 

[57special]

If you go over the drafts of the past 5 years, only one D prospect, Owen Power, had the same valuation as Schafer going into the draft.

C's like Bedard, Celebrini, Fantilli, maybe Byfield had more. Carlsson, Stutzle, had a similar valuation.

I get it. It's hard to look at Misa's season and attributes and not consider him for the #1 pick. He was always good, but I think he has taken people by surprise by just how good he has been this year, and there might be some who are wondering if he is fool's gold.

Nice consolation prize at #2.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Hagens is a massive reach at #1. You can build a team around Misa and Schaeffer, Hagens is a guy you add to a team that already has franchise guys like Celebrini. Not even guarenteed that Hagens goes top5.

Desnoyers, O'Brien, Martone and Frondell could potentially push Hagens out of the top5. If Hagens drops to 6 its for same reason Catton and Benson, their Small.

 

[57special]

Another poster mentioned this recently but the Hagens hate has gotten out of hand IMO. I don't think he's any worse than #3 or #4. But who knows.

Size, and lack of physicality. Even Bedard, with his unworldly talent, has had difficulties, and players like Rossi are getting moved because of the perceived disadvantage that their lack of size and strength gives them in the NHL. Kent Johnson had a lot of trouble early on, and it was only after a few years and a rigorous summer of training, as well as moving to wing, that he got right. i believe Johnson is bigger than Hagens, too.

Guys like Byfield, Lindstrom, and Martone will always be preferred over small perimeter players if the talent is similar.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I am not sure why Hagens is in this conversation. I will not be surprised if Hagens is still on the board after the first five picks

Agreed. It's like Benson, Caufield and Catton, he's likely to drop because of the bigger equally talented guys above him.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Size, and lack of physicality. Even Bedard, with his unworldly talent, has had difficulties, and players like Rossi are getting moved because of the perceived disadvantage that their lack of size and strength gives them in the NHL. Kent Johnson had a lot of trouble early on, and it was only after a few years and a rigorous summer of training, as well as moving to wing, that he got right. i believe Johnson is bigger than Hagens, too.

Guys like Byfield, Lindstrom, and Martone will always be preferred over small perimeter players if the talent is similar.

Lindstrom's injuries are terrifying and while Martone has good size, he doesn't really play big IMO.

Like I know Hagens has issues but I think a lot of people are overreacting because of how obnoxious Pavel was in rhe Hagens threads.

 

[Juxtaposer]

If you go over the drafts of the past 5 years, only one D prospect, Owen Power, had the same valuation as Schafer going into the draft.

C's like Bedard, Celebrini, Fantilli, maybe Byfield had more. Carlsson, Stutzle, had a similar valuation.

I get it. It's hard to look at Misa's season and attributes and not consider him for the #1 pick. He was always good, but I think he has taken people by surprise by just how good he has been this year, and there might be some who are wondering if he is fool's gold.

Nice consolation prize at #2.

Okay, I gotta hear the explanation for this one. Misa was an exception status player and out produced McDavid’s 15 year old OHL season. I know the OHL isn’t what it used to be (so definitely not saying he’s McDavid) but the aberrant seasons was last year when he was buried on Saginaw’s depth chart after they loaded up with 20 year olds for the Mem Cup, not any other year.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Okay, I gotta hear the explanation for this one. Misa was an exception status player and out produced McDavid’s 15 year old OHL season. I know the OHL isn’t what it used to be (so definitely not saying he’s McDavid) but the aberrant seasons was last year when he was buried on Saginaw’s depth chart after they loaded up with 20 year olds for the Mem Cup, not any other year.

I think what many people are forgetting about McDavid (not you specifically) is that his production alone wasn't what made him a generational prospect, it was his projectability. He was the ultimate combo of explosiveness and IQ and everyone realized immediately how well his game would translate. Crosby, Ovechkin, etc. also had that concept; everyone knew their games would translate. All three of those players more than lived up to the hype.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I think what many people are forgetting about McDavid (not you specifically) is that his production alone wasn't what made him a generational prospect, it was his projectability. He was the ultimate combo of explosiveness and IQ and everyone realized immediately how well his game would translate. Crosby, Ovechkin, etc. also had that concept; everyone knew their games would translate. All three of those players more than lived up to the hype.

Okay? I’m not saying Misa is McDavid, I’m just questioning the idea that anyone could think that this season is somehow an aberration in Misa’s career so far, which is what the poster I quoted was suggesting by saying that people are shocked Misa’s season was this good.

Trust me, I watched most of McDavid’s CHL career.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Okay? I’m not saying Misa is McDavid, I’m just questioning the idea that anyone could think that this season is somehow an aberration in Misa’s career so far, which is what the poster I quoted was suggesting by saying that people are shocked Misa’s season was this good.

Trust me, I watched most of McDavid’s CHL career.

You're misunderstanding me, I'm not going after you at all, I like your posts. I'm adding to your point, not contradicting you.

 

[Juxtaposer]

You're misunderstanding me, I'm not going after you at all, I like your posts. I'm adding to your point, not contradicting you.

I see that I did misinterpret your intent… but I’m not sure what your point was.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I see that I did misinterpret your intent… but I’m not sure what your point was.

I was only saying that McDavid's prospect status was even more due to his projectability than his production. Some extremely hyped prospects like Bedard didn't have the physical attributes that made McDavid the prospect that he was, while a guy like MacKinnon had modest production at the junior level but an extremely projectable game and frame.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I was only saying that McDavid's prospect status was even more due to his projectability than his production. Some extremely hyped prospects like Bedard didn't have the physical attributes that made McDavid the prospect that he was, while a guy like MacKinnon had modest production at the junior level but an extremely projectable game and frame.

Yeah, I see that, I just don’t get how it connects to my post, which is why I misinterpreted it to be contradictory. Are you saying Misa’s tools are or aren’t projectable?

 

[samsagat]

I could definitely see the Islanders picking Misa 1st.

They need a top 6 center more than a LH defenseman.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Schaefer

 

[Team_Spirit]

Schaefer 17gps is not a whole lot to confirm no1. Why did he skate right into the net lol

Misa led the OHL scoring at 17. The last to do it was Strome in 14-15, with Marner and McDavid completing the top 3 and Tyler Seguin in 09-10. Guy has a shot at no1.