Who do we overvalue the most?
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Saxon Eric
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Not single players specifically, but here are the overrated concepts for this team.
1. The Bergeron/David Krejci 1+2 combo. David Krejci's dominance is overrated, living off his playoff achievements that are year by year becoming history and not the present. He's not bad, he's just not as good as he was, and with his contract, he's less valuable because of it. The team should have made a decision to build off of one, and keep the much younger Seguin and mold him. Instead we have 2 guys in their 30's declining at the same time. I've been advocating moving Krejci since we had Seguin, and in that time, I think his value his dropped significantly. I would have kept only one of Bergeron or Krejci, and I think it's apparent to me that it should be Bergeron.
2. Our prospect pool as a whole - (it IS good, but removing pieces from it could easily kill the depth Sweeney built). Moving any of our high end prospects is a bad idea, as we really need one of them to pan out, or we are in trouble.
3. Claude - His system is successful with the right guys, but we don't have the right guys, and he hasn't been able to adjust with the type of players we have. I do not think he uses players to their strengths, more of trying to stick square pegs through round holes. He relies on strong center depth; but what does he do when we don't have that? What does he do when we have offensively minded players? We have them play defensively, but poorly, while not encouraging the offensive side of their game. It's not taking advantage of the skills we have.
4. Leadership over skill - I think leadership is the least of our worries, and we've built a team around leaders, but lack the skill to get anything done. Sure we have Chara, Bergeron, Krug, Backes, Krejci, McQuaid, and even Marchand filling in on the leadership side of things, but leadership only gets you so far. We gave up on young players, but should leadership be players parts that help develop the youth?
5. The idea that this is a playoff team because we sit at 2nd in the division at various points of the season. It's not. Literally hasn't been for 2 seasons. And this season is no different. Games in hand have made the team seem a lot better than they were this season and last. We made buyer / not seller moves last season because the management had faith in this team; that was on the edge. Keeping players around because of this has hurt us. This team is much closer to the 2006-2008 version of the Bruins than the cup contending team of 4-6 years ago.
Not exactly the thread parameters, but things I think that are overrated either by the fanbase or the management.
1. The Bergeron/David Krejci 1+2 combo. David Krejci's dominance is overrated, living off his playoff achievements that are year by year becoming history and not the present. He's not bad, he's just not as good as he was, and with his contract, he's less valuable because of it. The team should have made a decision to build off of one, and keep the much younger Seguin and mold him. Instead we have 2 guys in their 30's declining at the same time. I've been advocating moving Krejci since we had Seguin, and in that time, I think his value his dropped significantly. I would have kept only one of Bergeron or Krejci, and I think it's apparent to me that it should be Bergeron.
2. Our prospect pool as a whole - (it IS good, but removing pieces from it could easily kill the depth Sweeney built). Moving any of our high end prospects is a bad idea, as we really need one of them to pan out, or we are in trouble.
3. Claude - His system is successful with the right guys, but we don't have the right guys, and he hasn't been able to adjust with the type of players we have. I do not think he uses players to their strengths, more of trying to stick square pegs through round holes. He relies on strong center depth; but what does he do when we don't have that? What does he do when we have offensively minded players? We have them play defensively, but poorly, while not encouraging the offensive side of their game. It's not taking advantage of the skills we have.
4. Leadership over skill - I think leadership is the least of our worries, and we've built a team around leaders, but lack the skill to get anything done. Sure we have Chara, Bergeron, Krug, Backes, Krejci, McQuaid, and even Marchand filling in on the leadership side of things, but leadership only gets you so far. We gave up on young players, but should leadership be players parts that help develop the youth?
5. The idea that this is a playoff team because we sit at 2nd in the division at various points of the season. It's not. Literally hasn't been for 2 seasons. And this season is no different. Games in hand have made the team seem a lot better than they were this season and last. We made buyer / not seller moves last season because the management had faith in this team; that was on the edge. Keeping players around because of this has hurt us. This team is much closer to the 2006-2008 version of the Bruins than the cup contending team of 4-6 years ago.
Not exactly the thread parameters, but things I think that are overrated either by the fanbase or the management.
Good point on the neverending quest for leadership. It's an absolutely overblown X factor,especially here.
quick thoughts would be
Chara, not because of any other reason then some people still see him as a true #1. Guy is a warrior/beast but is soon to be 40 and shows it
Krejci for some, but I think most people see him for what he is. An overpaid but good #2 C
Backes. I think people still see him as a "difference maker"
Vatrano. I love Frank the tank but I think some people see him as a future star
As for prospects, I will go with McAvoy. Similar to Chara, in that I fully expect him to be great but some people throw out the Drew Doughty comparison which sets the bar a little to high
Donnie Shulzhoffer
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This is a really great post.
Sums up a lot of my feelings on the Bruins/Bruins culture currently.
ReggieMoto
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Rask 1000 percent
To many people on here are fooled by very deceiving numbers.
Mark my words if/when this team is rid of him and they put that 7 million to good use this team will succeed and i believe that 100 percent.
To many people on here are fooled by very deceiving numbers.
Mark my words if/when this team is rid of him and they put that 7 million to good use this team will succeed and i believe that 100 percent.
RedeyeRocketeer
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I can bump the predictions if you want. A big chunk of the board did, which at the time really surprised me.
My list starts with:
1) David Krejci
We have to accept that he's an excellent #2. When him and Bergeron aren't getting it done, this team has no true #1. Is problem.
2) David Backes.
Let's be frank, he's being paid to be a really big piece of the O and he's most likely not going to be part of the core in 2-3 years. Is problem.
3) Brandon Carlo
Yes, I think we're putting way too much pressure and value on this kid. I think he's an excellent hockey player. I also think people treating him like an untradeable #2 are probably overvalueing the kid.
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Before the season started about 45% of people that voted projected the Bruins to make the playoffs this season.
Here's my list:
A lot of our prospects
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I know. This team is where it's opposed to be. Lots of holes at the begining. Same holes now.
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This.
Would happily be proven wrong but when I speak to people outside of this board and Bruins fans I get a 'meh' response outside of McAvoy.
I think we have a high % of potential NHL players but only one guy capable of being a top 6 or top pairing.
LSCII
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Seconded. Guy is grossly overrated by fans here because of a couple of playoff series.
ODAAT
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just curious where you would rate rask in the top 30 of NHL starting goalies. Not trying to troll but disagree with you and curious where you rank him
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