Who are your 5th -10th best players of all time, today?

[Ben Grimm]

5	Bobby Hull	LW	1939	Canada	Point Anne, Ontario
6	Jean Beliveau	C	1931	Canada	Trois-Rivieres, Quebec
7	Patrick Roy	G	1965	Canada	Quebec City, Quebec
8	Doug Harvey	D	1924	Canada	Montreal, Quebec
9	Maurice Richard	RW	1921	Canada	Montreal, Quebec
10	Ray Bourque	D	1960	Canada	Saint-Laurent, Quebec

Is it still those guys? Do younger players such as Crosby, Hasek, Lidstrom. Jagr, OV, and McDavid deserve a spot? What do you think?

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[BigBadBruins7708]

Hasek
Jagr
Lafleur
Bourque
Crosby
Roy

 

[daver]

That list is five years old I think only Crosby and OV could sneak into the Top Ten. Crosby is above Richard and, IMO, is arguably #5 primarily because if he played just 40-50 more games at key times in his career, I think he would be the consensus #5. He only lacks a legacy season in comparison to Beliveau and Hull; one that gets thrown around as one of the best of the non Big Four.

Ovechkin is solidly Top 20, arguably ahead of Jagr.

Too early for McDavid in a GOAT player/career talk but certainly is positioned well to join the Top 10, Top 5 chatter at some point.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

5. Sidney Crosby
6. Patrick Roy
7. Jean Beliveau
8. Howie Morenz
9. Maurice Richard
10. Bobby Hull

something like that. I haven't actually thought about Crosby vs Roy seriously.

Of course McDavid is so hard to rate right now.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Hasek, Crosby, Harvey, and Beliveau are locked in my 5-9 spots in some order.

Richard, Hull, Bourque, Jagr, and Roy all have very strong arguments for 10.

The main forum is functionally illiterate on pre 1990 hockey and entirely ignorant of pre 1960 hockey. Harvey's resume is outstanding and he will never get enough love from those that just browse a wikipedia page and look at offensive stats.

 

[norrisnick]

Lidstrom, Hasek, Harvey, Beliveau, Hull

 

[bobholly39]

5. Crosby
6. Roy
7. Beliveau
8. Jagr
9. Ovechkin
10. Bourque

That's probably how I'd rank them. I have to say, my esteem for Ovechkin had risen exponentially in past 2 years alone. He had a fantastic half season last year, keeping pace with peak McDrai, and in doing so helped lead his team to high playoff spot (despite massive injuries), so very valuable.

This season - slow start, but then when on a torrid scoring pace and helped his team turn around their season, solidly in playoff place again.

And of course - 50 goals last year, on pace for 50 again this year...a few years ago there was talk of him beating the record one day, but it was always "well, he'll slow down to ~40/30/20 goals a year and eventually reach it if he plays long enough". Now it seems there's a chance he'll keep potting ~50 a year till he reaches it, which is insane when you think about it. So - I think Ovechkin based on his longevity, consistency and goal-scoring definitely makes my top 10 now. I flip flop with him and Jagr for 8 and 9.

I'd probably have Hasek 11, and I also flip flop with him and Bourque.

As for McDavid - he obviously isn't top 10 yet. Biggest reason why to me is he doesn't have to be. He has half his prime left. Let's see what that looks like to get a better sense of where he ranks. I'm 99% sure he'll make the top 10, and seems like a good 50/50 chance he could make it to #5. So, let's see in a few years.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

#5 - #10:
Hasek and Roy
Harvey
Beliveau and Crosby
Ovechkin

In no particular order. My top-10 is light (probably too light) on defenseman, but I can't get either Bourque or Lidstrom above any of the names on my list, personally.

#11 - #15:
Jagr and Hull
Bourque and Lidstrom
Messier

Again, in no particular order. That's a top-15 I feel pretty good about, even if I go back and forth on the #8 - #12 spots.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Hasek, Crosby, Harvey, and Beliveau are locked in my 5-9 spots in some order.

Richard, Hull, Bourque, Jagr, and Roy all have very strong arguments for 10.

The main forum is functionally illiterate on pre 1990 hockey and entirely ignorant of pre 1960 hockey. Harvey's resume is outstanding and he will never get enough love from those that just browse a wikipedia page and look at offensive stats.

There's one poster on the main boards who keeps criticizing our ranking of Harvey. The argument he keeps using is Harvey didn't score a lot of goals in the playoffs. That, apparently, is the best way to measure a defensive defensman (who played before Orr).

 

[Dingo]

Hasek
Jagr
Lidstrom
Crosby
McDavid
Ovechkin

 

[Ben Grimm]

There's one poster on the main boards who keeps criticizing our ranking of Harvey. The argument he keeps using is Harvey didn't score a lot of goals in the playoffs. That, apparently, is the best way to measure a defensive defensman (who played before Orr).

Apparently on the main board if you played in the O6 and won multiple cups you suck, I saw Nighbor called a Lady Byng Specialist. That's so inaccurate I'm at a loss for words and don't even know how to reply.

 

[The Macho King]

Probably Crosby/Roy/Bourque/Harvey/Beliveau? Could also see putting Hasek at 10.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Probably Crosby/Roy/Bourque/Harvey/Beliveau? Could also see putting Hasek at 10.

You just did.

5. Crosby/
6. Roy/
7. Bourque/
8. Harvey/
9. Beliveau
10. Hasek

 

[The Macho King]

You just did.

5. Crosby/
6.Roy/
7. Bourque/
8. Harvey/
9. Beliveau
10. Hasek

Look man numbers are hard.

 

[GMR]

5. Hull
6. Hasek
7. Roy
8. Esposito
9. Bourque
10. Beliveau

I'll be alone with picking Esposito, but his high scoring finishes, insane peak, and Summit Series exploits are things I cannot overlook.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

5. Hull
6. Hasek
7. Roy
8. Esposito
9. Bourque
10. Beliveau

I'll be alone with picking Esposito, but his high scoring finishes, insane peak, and Summit Series exploits are things I cannot overlook.

I debated it. Espo, Hull, Ovechkin and Harvey round out the list of players that are my 5-14 range that can essentially be ranked in any order

 

[BenchBrawl]

5. Maurice Richard
6. Bobby Hull
7. Jean Béliveau
8. Doug Harvey
9. Patrick Roy
10. Sidney Crosby

 

[MXD]

5	Bobby Hull	LW	1939	Canada	Point Anne, Ontario
6	Jean Beliveau	C	1931	Canada	Trois-Rivieres, Quebec
7	Patrick Roy	G	1965	Canada	Quebec City, Quebec
8	Doug Harvey	D	1924	Canada	Montreal, Quebec
9	Maurice Richard	RW	1921	Canada	Montreal, Quebec
10	Ray Bourque	D	1960	Canada	Saint-Laurent, Quebec

Is it still those guys? Do younger players such as Crosby, Hasek, Lidstrom. Jagr, OV, and McDavid deserve a spot? What do you think?

Take out Hull and Bourque, replace them by Crosby and Hasek, et voilà, you have MXD's six players between 5 and 10.

Though only Crosby is a result of hockey being played between then and now.

 

[Midnight Judges]

I'll probably have Crosby, Ovie, Hasek, Hull, Jagr, and Bourque or Beliveau. And I have a hard time separating Lidstrom from Bourque too. As much as their fans go after each other, their careers are friggin close man.

Too early for McDavid IMO but I'm a guy who values total career value over peak.

 

[frisco]

Jagr-Crosby-Hull-Hasek-Messier-Richard

My Best-Carey

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I'll probably have Crosby, Ovie, Hasek, Hull, Jagr, and Bourque or Beliveau. And I have a hard time separating Lidstrom from Bourque too. As much as their fans go after each other, their careers friggin close man.

Too early for McDavid IMO but I'm a guy who values total career value over peak.

Thought the same on McDavid, but damn he's got a better argument for top 10 than I gave him credit for at the end of this season.

Assuming disaster doesn't happen and he wins the Ross and Hart this year.

The only players in history with more Ross trophies will br Gretzky, Howe and Lemieux

The only players with more Hart trophies will be Gretzky and Howe.

That's some insanity since McDavid is in his prime and only 26

 

[Big Phil]

I wouldn't put Lidstrom on the top 10. This is a very tough list, and if I am not sure if Bourque is a #5-10 guy then Lidstrom surely isn't. Also not sure about Roy. Yeah his playoff resume is the best ever. But his regular season wasn't always the best. He had 10 years in between year end all-star selections. Again, this is just a very tough list to crack.

In no particular order (that's for another day) I'd say Crosby, Beliveau, Hull and maybe even Harvey ought to be there. Richard is right there with Jagr, Bourque, Hasek, Roy. Plante and Sawchuk are up there too. As well as Ovechkin.

Give McDavid a few years.

 

[plusandminus]

Probably 5 Hasek. 6 Jagr.

Although I notice that many here seems to prefer 10 Canadian/North American players as the top-10.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Probably 5 Hasek. 6 Jagr.

Although I notice that many here seems to prefer 10 Canadian/North American players as the top-10.

None of us are going to have an American in the top 30 (Chelios not appearing until 41 in the top 100).

There are only 4 non Canadians in the top 20, all peaking in the 15 year period of 1995-2010. It is entirely reasonable to have an all Canadian top 10 just owing to the history of the sport, and that 5-17ish is a clump of players.

Most of us have 1 Euro in the top 10.

Walking into a thread asking for 5 players, only listing 2, and then calling everyone biased just screams looking for a fight.

 

[crobro]

Hasek
Beliveau
Bobby Hull
Ray Bourque
Rocket Richard