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Who are the top 15 C in the league currently?

Regal said:
I literally just wrote in that post that NHL lists him as a C. The website is a bad source for positions. This is well known.

Even strength time includes things like empty net and 3 on 3, and every team with two strong centers plays both on the same PP. 5v5 is actual lines, and my numbers are correct. 65% of the time Draisaitl plays without McDavid. 61% of the time, McDavid plays without Draisaitl.

But even if we use your numbers, you realize that if he plays with McDavid 40% and 46% of the time, that’s not the majority, right?
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nturn06 said:
If I am not mistaken, AM is on pace for about 30 goals and 70 points this season. I don't think that puts him miles ahead of Eichel/Point/Barkov...
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Fair critique. I am just a sheep that considers Matthews to be an elite player and don't want to be the guy to argue he's not. Also he missed time due to injury, I think his per 60s are still all-world
 
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benfranklin said:
Youre focused on the Bolts, which is fine, but the same argument goes for a lot of NHL.com's listing of positions. My main one is Draisaitl and McDavid. Both are centers but they play 46.5% together (current 24-25 stats, other years are even more). So its silly to me they are both considered centers on everyones list when the majority of their point production comes when someone isnt playing center.

Would both be the 1C on 90% of other teams? Yes, but one of them technically plays wing for nearly 50% of their entire ice time.


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And I am not incorrect. I literally jsut did the math. It is 40% of even strength time and 46 and change accounting for PP time which I think we all agree McDavid is the center even if he isnt taking the faceoffs right?
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Yeah, I'm mostly focused on your initial claim that Point isn't a top 15 center because he's not really a center, which, by just about all accounts, isn't true.

Regal said:
I believe that only includes games they both played in.

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Well, that's even more convincing.
 
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Regal said:
I literally just wrote in that post that NHL lists him as a C. The website is a bad source for positions. This is well known.

Even strength time includes things like empty net and 3 on 3, and every team with two strong centers plays both on the same PP. 5v5 is actual lines, and my numbers are correct. 65% of the time Draisaitl plays without McDavid. 61% of the time, McDavid plays without Draisaitl.

But even if we use your numbers, you realize that if he plays with McDavid 40% and 46% of the time, that’s not the majority, right?
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"Majority", yes I understand the definition of the word and slightly exaggerated if we go off your math excluding ice time that is convenient for you even though it is still ice time. It is still an insane amount more than any other team and their top two centers.
 
benfranklin said:
"Majority", yes I understand the definition of the word and slightly exaggerated if we go off your math excluding ice time that is convenient for you even though it is still ice time. It is still an insane amount more than any other team and their top two centers.
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It’s not “convenient”. The idea that we would use the PP time together to suggest one isn’t a center is fundamentally flawed. All the best center combos play the first unit PP together. Malkin and Crosby, Forsberg and Sakic, Lemieux and Francis, Gretzky and Messier, etc etc.

Regardless, your math still shows they play the majority of their time apart. If a player is playing center more than winger, what else would we call him? Are you suggesting we should call him a winger when he plays fewer minutes there?
 
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1. Mackinnon
2. Mcdavid
3. Draisaitl

4.Barkov
5.Matthews
6. Point
7. Eichel

8. Hughes
9. Scheifele
10.Hischier
11. Crosby
12. Miller
13. Aho
14. Petterson
15. Larkin
 
If we are just talking about this year:

1) Mack
2) Drai
3) McDavid
4) Barkov
5) Eichel
6) Point
7) Mathews
8) Scheifele
9) Aho
10) D.Strome
 
boltsfan86 said:
Just my opinion. Aho is a great player but I wouldn't call him a game-breaker on offense or defense. Scheifele is a total gamechanger on offense since he's above a point per game with 30 goals already. Aho is a point per game with almost a dozen fewer goals.

At 5 on 5 this year, Scheifele has near double Aho's goals (16 to 9), more assists, (16 to 13), more primary assists (11 to 10), and more points (32 to 22). Scheifele has also drawn more penalties at 5 on 5 by a wide margin (21 to 10) while taking the same number of penalties. He has more hits (42 to 36), and has blocked more shots (39 to 17,.

Plus, Scheifele has been on the ice for 48 goals for and 39 goals against. Aho has been on the ice for 36 goals for and 46 goals against. You might not think that stat is super important, but I do. Not to mention, in one more game played, Scheifele has logged ~173 more minutes played at 5 on 5.

Aho is probably better at defense overall, and he's certainly better at faceoffs, but the fact remains that the VAST majority of Aho's points (33 of his 55) have come in situations other than 5-on-5, which is where the bulk of the game is played. Scheifele is simply dominant at 5-on-5 (8th most points in the NHL among Centers at 5-on-5) while Aho ranks THIRD among Centers ON HIS OWN TEAM (and he's fourth if you consider Necas a Center). So that's where I really draw the line. His solid defense isn't enough to put him in the same echelon as Scheifele (at least for me).
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Great post — paints a far more nuanced picture of two players I have long admired and should understand better.
 
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