Who’s on your 10 team no-trade list?

[tarheelhockey]

Not that surprising. Boston is an absolutely wonderful city and Toronto – huge as it is – has really nice 'burbs and a cool hub (if you don't mind the driving).

I put Ottawa on my list because I needed a 10th choice, but I lived there in the 90s and liked the city. Not too big, easy to commute, with some very nice areas.

The chances of professional hockey players being cold are also beyond minuscule, because they can afford warmer jackets and heated driveways. Therefore players have no valid argument against Canadian climates.

Seriously, facts are facts. Someone who values climate may not want to live in some Canadian cities, while someone who values lifestyle/security may not want to live in some US cities.

In over 100 years, not one single active NHL player has ever been murdered. I can’t even think of a former NHL’er who was murdered. The likelihood of something like that happening in any location is near zero and if it were to happen, would most likely be connected to something like a domestic violence type of situation.

For the vast majority of people, choosing to live in Canada rather than the USA to avoid getting murdered is like choosing to live in the USA rather than Canada to avoid moose attacks. It’s more of a statement about that person’s (lack of) understanding of the world than anything else.

 

[Gardner McKay]

All of Canada except for Edmonton. Detroit. Chicago. Boston. New Jersey.

 

[banks]

I picked 10 teams because the OP specifically asked everyone to pick 10, not less. So I picked some teams that are in an area I'd rather not live, or teams I have no interest in.

But my list, in earnest, is just Detroit. That city is one of the worst places I've ever been to. It was a decaying, half abandoned, wheezing old city. Nothing fun for a family to do, just broken down homes and ruined roads. I was there for about a month total, and had a shooting in the very hotel I was staying at, while I was there.

I don't know how Detroit isn't on most lists.

 

[Lshap]

In over 100 years, not one single active NHL player has ever been murdered. I can’t even think of a former NHL’er who was murdered. The likelihood of something like that happening in any location is near zero and if it were to happen, would most likely be connected to something like a domestic violence type of situation.

For the vast majority of people, choosing to live in Canada rather than the USA to avoid getting murdered is like choosing to live in the USA rather than Canada to avoid moose attacks. It’s more of a statement about that person’s (lack of) understanding of the world than anything else.

I think the poster's point was that some American cities have much higher rates of violent crime.

Among the many reasons to NOT want to live somewhere, that's certainly a valid one.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think the poster's point was that some American cities have much higher rates of violent crime.

Among the many reasons to NOT want to live somewhere, that's certainly a valid one.

Of course, but NHL players are in no way exposed to that type of violence.

American cities have more violent crime largely because they’re much more polarized in terms of haves and have-nots. NHL players are at the peak of the “have” category, wherever they live.

 

[wintersej]

EDM, Calgary, WPG are the easy ones.

Montreal and Toronto because the pressure ain’t worth it. I actually considered adding my home town Bruins for this reason as well, but couldn’t bring myself to do it.

Buffalo and Ottawa because the orgs are a mess. Columbus, too.

After that it got harder. Chose the Blues because you get all my personal cons of red state living without my personal pros. And Vegas because while I know folks who grew up in Henderson and the like so I know it’s a position I would have trouble defending, I just think it’s a weird place to raise a family.

Ended up with all the Canadian cities except Vancouver. Vancouver is a great city despite it having the worst fans ever .

I think the poster's point was that some American cities have much higher rates of violent crime.

Among the many reasons to NOT want to live somewhere, that's certainly a valid one.

Yeah most crime violent crime is poor on poor crime so I don’t think it’s going to be a problem unless they are driving around the wrong neighborhood trying to score a $20 rock or something.

 

[Lshap]

Of course, but NHL players are in no way exposed to that type of violence.

I'd think their concern would be to provide a safe environment for their wife and children.

 

[Voight]

Winnipeg, Buffalo, Montreal, Minnesota, Utah, Ottawa, Calgary, Detroit, Columbus, Seattle.

Mix of cities io wouldn't care to live in and teams that are in no mans land / not cup contenders.

I'd of put Edmonton if McJesus didn't exist, I wouldn't turn down the opportunity to play with a top 10, possibly top 5 player of all time.

 

[Sticksandsun]

Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Columbus, San Jose, LA, Anaheim, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Chicago.

 

[Ruggs225]

buffalo
Calgary
Detroit
Edmonton
Pittsburgh
Colombus
Chicago
Ottawa
Winnepeg
Montreal

All places i would not want to live in.

 

[CaptBrannigan]

I couldn’t answer, as my answer would entirely depend on if I’d won a Cup or not yet and if I had, in what context.

 

[Lshap]

Yeah most crime violent crime is poor on poor crime so I don’t think it’s going to be a problem unless they are driving around the wrong neighborhood trying to score a $20 rock or something.

I haven't been to Washington and Chicago often, but I remember learning how easy it is to accidentally wander into one of those wrong neighbourhoods. What are you supposed to say to someone who doesn't want their kids living in a city where they're one wrong turn away from a really bad neighbourhood?

This thread brings up a secondary debate: Does the perception of a city match the reality? Despite the weather perceptions of Canada, Montreal usually gets less snow than NY or Boston. Toronto has the same temperatures as a bunch of Northern US cities. Vancouver's even warmer. Ottawa isn't boring. We can make the same myth-busting arguments for US cities.

But for the purposes of this thread, we may as well accept perceptions as-is.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I'd think their concern would be to provide a safe environment for their wife and children.

If they think that’s a problem for an NHL player, they’re incredibly naive.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Toronto

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

All the Canadian teams are on the list. Almost put all the California teams on the list and then remember how much I'd hate to live in NYC, so swapped SJS out.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Of course, but NHL players are in no way exposed to that type of violence.

American cities have more violent crime largely because they’re much more polarized in terms of haves and have-nots. NHL players are at the peak of the “have” category, wherever they live.

This is bullshit considering it was only a couple years ago that Mitch Marner was carjacked at gunpoint.

... In Torontexico, Texas.

 

[tarheelhockey]

This is bullshit considering it was only a couple years ago that Mitch Marner was carjacked at gunpoint.

... In Torontexico, Texas.

Reminds me of Patrick Cote, the former NHL’er who a few years back actually turned out to be the armed bank robber.

(In Montreami, Florida)

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I would only play in Ottawa, Montreal, Vancouver, or Calgary. Its a major part of why I’m on these boards instead of in the league.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Reminds me of Patrick Cote, the former NHL’er who a few years back actually turned out to be the armed bank robber.

(In Montreami, Florida)

Cote was just returning to his American criminal ways that he was bred into, growing up in the ghettos of Quebenoxica, Arizona.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

One thing that surprised me was Dadonov had Anaheim on his NTC and not Canadian teams.

 

[MNRube]

Canada + Columbus + Buffalo + Nashville

 

[Silky Johnson]

Buffalo, St Louis, Detroit, New Jersey, Winnipeg and Washington because they are irredeemable shitholes.

Utah because...Mormons are weird.

Montreal and Toronto are great cities but I f***ing hate those teams.

Columbus because of a more general dislike of Ohio.

 

[Evergreen]

Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary (weather, location)
Buffalo, Detroit, Columbus, Pittsburgh (weather/depressing)
Florida, Tampa Bay (hurricanes, hot/humid)
Dallas (boring, Texas)

 

[Lshap]

If they think that’s a problem for an NHL player, they’re incredibly naive.

Why would you call it naive? Violence/crime is much higher in some metropolitan areas than others. Many people – wealthy or not – choose to not live around those areas. It's a personal priority, not a lack of information.

Yes, NHL players can insulate themselves from violence better than most people. But they can also insulate themselves from shovelling their driveways in winter, paying high taxes, speaking french, or dealing with fans.

There are workarounds for any factor that would dissuade any player from playing in any NHL city. And yet they still have no-trade lists.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Why would you call it naive? Violence/crime is much higher in some metropolitan areas than others. Many people – wealthy or not – choose to not live around those areas. It's a personal priority, not a lack of information.

Yes, NHL players can insulate themselves from violence better than most people. But they can also insulate themselves from shovelling their driveways in winter, paying high taxes, speaking french, or dealing with fans.

There are workarounds for any factor that would dissuade any player from playing in any NHL city. And yet they still have no-trade lists.

The difference being that any time you walk down the street in an Edmonton winter it’s going to be cold; any time you walk down the street in Montreal people will be speaking French; any time you walk down the street in Toronto someone (be it fan or media) is going to be trying to get a picture.

If you really think professional athletes in cities like Chicago and Washington are at risk of violent crime just by walking down the street, I don’t know what to say other than that’s really naive. Yes, you can stumble into the wrong neighborhood while wandering around as a tourist because that’s exactly what you’re doing, wandering around an unfamiliar city. Pro athletes are locals who live in suburban McMansions or luxury high rises in some of the most desirable ZIP codes on the continent. They’re not just going to randomly wander into gang violence or a school shooting.

I mean, the facts are pretty clear that NHL players themselves are far more likely to be the perpetrator of a violent crime (including homicide) than to be the victim.