Whitecloud hit on Knies | Knies did not return to the game.

[Ezekial]

Definitely jumped into the hit, should've been something.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I agree this should be looked at, but everyone saying he jumped needs to look at it in slower motion, or frame by frame. His skates are on the ice when contact is made. The force of the hit is what caused Whitecloud to leave his feet, not a jump.

He launches his body up towards the head. There's no arguing that. He knew what he was doing. He could have made the exact same hit keeping his body where it was (lower) and it would have been perfectly fine. He decided to injure Knies instead. Doesn't matter if it was a split second decision., etc., the onus is on the hitter to avoid head contact and his actions specifically led to the head being the primary point of contact. I still can't believe people are arguing this. Like I said LDS is the only explanation.

It's in no way comparable to the Reaves hit.

Yes it is. That's silly.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Definitely jumped into the hit, should've been something.

Definitely didn’t jump into the hit

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

He didn’t jump. But he did explode upward into the hit which I believe the league is trying to curtail (doing a poor job of it though)

Not really sure how you curtail that given it's pretty much text book of how you should be throwing a hit? It's like telling a boxer not to use his legs when he punches. The problem is the game is played at a very high speed and even the slightest of miscalculations goes sideways quickly. People watch things in slow motion or even general replay and think "he had tons of time to react" when usually they don't.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He launches his body up towards the head. There's no arguing that. He knew what he was doing. He could have made the exact same hit keeping his body where it was (lower) and it would have been perfectly fine. He decided to injure Knies instead. Doesn't matter if it was a split second decision., etc., the onus is on the hitter to avoid head contact and his actions specifically led to the head being the primary point of contact. I still can't believe people are arguing this. Like I said LDS is the only explanation.



Yes it is. That's silly.

How is it comparable? If Reaves was coming straight at him, it would’ve been comparable and a clean hit.

Coming from the side and picking the head and north south and hitting through the body aren’t close to comparable hits

 

[Romang67]

Yes it is. That's silly.

It's really not. Whitecloud drove through the core of the body. The determining factor on deciding whether his hit was illegal is whether his upward extension was unnecessary. The Reaves hit had no mitigating factors. He came from a 90 degree angle and decided to drive through Nurse's head.

 

[Deviled]

Again, I think this hit MIGHT be illegal based on whether the DoPS considers this an unnecessary extension upward. They also might consider standing up into the hit to be a regular hitting motion (which it arguably is). The issue with this hit is exactly that Knies is crouched really low. Whitecloud extends upward, but to completely avoid head contact, Whitecloud would have needed to have his chin at the level of the board, which would basically force him to have a hip check stance.

Trouba did that against Barron, so it's not impossible, but people were still really angry over that hit.

But yeah, overall, the NHL and the DoPS have made it abundantly clear that they don't care about player safety in general, and head trauma in particular.

On the topic of players having their head down; how does this differ from football players being really low to the ground? Yet the NFL is forcing the league away from hits to the head, and no type of position by the attacking player is considered at-fault

Doesnt it seem like 'keep your head up' is just an older adage that is used to defend these types of plays moreso than it is unavoidable head contact?

Football has done wonders for the league in terms of removing head contact from most tackles; and id argue its much harder to avoid in football, considering the size of most running backs

 

[Tobias Kahun]

On the topic of players having their head down; how does this differ from football players being really low to the ground? Yet the NFL is forcing the league away from hits to the head, and no type of position by the attacking player is considered at-fault

Doesnt it seem like 'keep your head up' is just an older adage that is used to defend these types of plays moreso than it is unavoidable head contact?

Football has done wonders for the league in terms of removing head contact from most tackles; and id argue its much harder to avoid in football, considering the size of most running backs

Being able to tackle makes it a lot different.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Rare Biz W???

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859614276593524927

Alternate opinion:

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/boudreau-whitecloud-left-his-feet-and-jumped-deserved-5-minute-m~3029368

 

[BlueOil]

Interesting video

maybe for omar fans, otherwise it's biased and a loose reading of the rules to "fit" it in as a bad hit. "look at his hip" is just grasping at straws.

knies paid the price for gaining the red line and whitecloud threw a good, strong hit. sucks when a player gets injured, but this isn't a targeting the head situation.

 

[Deviled]

Being able to tackle makes it a lot different.

Tackling is certainly different but not a ton; plus football helmets are large crowns, with most running backs keeping their head low and forward

I can agree tackling is easier but avoiding head contact in football is undeniably harder; especially considering tackling is the only way to stop the player, whereas in hockey theres a multitude of other ways than hitting

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

It's really not. Whitecloud drove through the core of the body. The determining factor on deciding whether his hit was illegal is whether his upward extension was unnecessary. The Reaves hit had no mitigating factors. He came from a 90 degree angle and decided to drive through Nurse's head.

No he didn't, he launched up to hit him in the head. Get your LDS checked into, it can be fatal.

 

[ole ole]

Beautiful hit.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

It's really not. Whitecloud drove through the core of the body. The determining factor on deciding whether his hit was illegal is whether his upward extension was unnecessary. The Reaves hit had no mitigating factors. He came from a 90 degree angle and decided to drive through Nurse's head.

He came from the side, yes, but a half step further and that's all shoulder. Timing is off by a millisecond.

 

[McPoyle]

People comparing this to the Reaves hit showing they never played contact sports and have spent too long typing on keyboards.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

No he didn't, he launched up to hit him in the head. Get your LDS checked into, it can be fatal.

Suggesting they’re the same and then telling someone to get checked out.

Bold move with a side of delusion

 

[Golden_Jet]

Refs called the 5 minute major to review hit, as they should, and rescinded the call.

Slo mo video in post 164 is a good angle.
Refs got it right it looks like.

 

[ijuka]

Yeah, this hit was worse.

 

[Romang67]

On the topic of players having their head down; how does this differ from football players being really low to the ground? Yet the NFL is forcing the league away from hits to the head, and no type of position by the attacking player is considered at-fault

Doesnt it seem like 'keep your head up' is just an older adage that is used to defend these types of plays moreso than it is unavoidable head contact?

Football has done wonders for the league in terms of removing head contact from most tackles; and id argue its much harder to avoid in football, considering the size of most running backs

This is incorrect.



This play led to a fine. For Tommy Tremble, the Panthers' TE. By the rules, you cannot lower your head going into a collision as an NFL player.

I also don't like the comparison between football hitting and hockey hitting in general. For running backs in particular, the goal of any (legal) tackle is getting the guy to the ground. IMO, the only comparable objective in football is when you try to separate a player from a ball when he's in the process of catching a pass. There, they have reduced the number of hits to the head, which is good, but so has the NHL.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Suggesting they’re the same and then telling someone to get checked out.

Bold move with a side of delusion

I agree. The Whitecloud hit is worse.

 

[Dreakmur]

You don't have 50

You refuse to name any

Here are the 2 differences that made one a suspension and other a legal hit....
1. North/South vs blindside
2. Heavy body contact vs head picked

 

[Romang67]

No he didn't, he launched up to hit him in the head. Get your LDS checked into, it can be fatal.

Are you saying that he doesn't drive through Knies's core? Because you might need to re-check all of the replays if that's actually what you're claiming.

The mormon church is not relevant to the discussion.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I was watching this game peripherally last night and didn't pay attention during the penalty review, I'm only just now realizing it's Toronto who ended up with a 2 minute minor and not Vegas. Truly unreal lol, I thought it was bad enough they were downgrading it to 2

 

[Romang67]

He came from the side, yes, but a half step further and that's all shoulder. Timing is off by a millisecond.

That's explicitly stated as not a mitigating factor for rule 48.

 

[DJJones]

Now we're talking about him launching up? Omg, he bent down and then used his legs to create power to hit someone.

How else do you throw a hit? Just come in straight legged, shoulders are weapons so just come in like a sumo wrestler with no arms.