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Value of: Which teams are willing to give Mitch Marner $13M, 7 years?

FriendlyGhost92 said:
The context of this conversation is not Yzerman's tenure as a Red Wings GM, it's Yzerman's tenure as a GM period.

And you can go all the way back to my initial responses to you to find that context...
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Bit of a miscommunication then because I was thinking about this in the context of the Red Wings. It is worth noting the Lightning were capped out for much of his tenure there.

Still these kinds of players are so rarely on the market, I don't think history is a good indication of what a GM is willing or unwilling to do.
 
Golden_Jet said:
I did as well as others did, and proved with facts, on 5 years of drafting, but you just kept moving the goalposts and didn’t like that you were proven wrong, initially, so I stopped replying,
once it became obvious, all you were going to do was keep moving the goalpost each time, until you eventually get one point right.

You move goalposts endlessly on discussions, and has become a schtik now, so sorry not interested in disengenious hyperbole. See ya.
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Which goalposts were moved? Just curious.

Please say that I suddenly included his time in Tampa, even though I already cited posts where I was talking about his overall GM career from the beginning. Please try it. :thumbu:

EDIT: Ope, and @SirloinUB has since acknowledged that we miscommunicated and that I was talking about his overall GM career the whole time. Fair play Sirloin, it's no biggie.
 
SirloinUB said:
Bit of a miscommunication then because I was thinking about this in the context of the Red Wings. It is worth noting the Lightning were capped out for much of his tenure there.

Still these kinds of players are so rarely on the market, I don't think history is a good indication of what a GM is willing or unwilling to do.
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It's all good. I mean his overall career. You're right, to a degree, that he didn't really have the cap to do it in Tampa for most of those years.

I just don't see it though. One because Yzerman's never really done it, and based on everything he says, doesn't sound like the type that would do it. Two because it's a winger. Elite player or not, we don't need help on the wing nearly as bad as we need a Top 6 center or a Top 4 LHD. (Even RHD would be nice, but ASP is looming)

And we don't need to break our cap structure to make a winger our highest paid player by nearly $5M. That doesn't really work out well for anybody. Didn't work for Columbus with Laine or Gaudreau. Didn't work for Calgary with Huberdeau. (A trade, to be fair, and they gave up the better player) Didn't work for NYR with Panarin.

I just don't see the guy who played hardball to beat Debrincat from the 8 x $8M he reportedly wanted down to 4 x $7.8M turning around two years later and throwing 7 x $13M+ at Marner. And yes, Marner is much better than Debrincat.
 
blankall said:
People are really basing his lack of playoff ability on a single series from last season's playoffs. He had 14 points in 11 games the year before.

Nylander, Matthews, and Tavares were also below a ppg last playoffs, with Tavares having 2 points in seven games. Matthews was injured and Boston shut the whole team down offensively. Marner became the scapegoat.
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IIRC 9 of those 14 points came in the first 3 games of the playoffs
 
can’t see this being an Yzerman move
 
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Golden_Jet said:
I did as well as others did, and proved with facts, on 5 years of drafting,and points, but you just moved the goalposts and didn’t like that you were proven wrong, initially,

so I stopped replying, once it became obvious, all you were going to do was keep moving the goalpost each time, until you eventually get one point right.

You move goalposts endlessly on discussions, and has become a schtik now, so sorry not interested in disengenious hyperbole. See ya.
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Weird... Never did get an explanation as to what goalposts I was moving here...
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Weird... Never did get an explanation as to what goalposts I was moving here...
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You just know this is the golden jet
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SirloinUB said:
What are some examples of big name players that yzerman hasn't chased? And how do you know he didn't court them (as opposed to those players not wanting to sign in Detroit)?
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You are asking him to cite examples of things that haven't happened?

How exactly would a person do that?
 
SeanMoneyHands said:
I will start with the Rangers, who else?
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Every team in the league would be willing to do this.

Mitch Marner makes every team in the league better by playing for them.

Some teams may choose to not want to move the salary out to fit Marner in, but that’s also a mistake.

If you have to move a backup goal tender and a couple regulars to fit Marner in, you do it 100% of the time
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Not sure why you'd have to think that given that Yzerman has never chased a top dollar UFA and Detroit's cap would be far better spent on a T6 center or T4 defender.
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You would choose a random 2nd line center or 2nd pair d-man over a proven superstar? Not even both? Lol
 
dire wolf said:
He's got 50 points in 57 playoff games. Not quite as good as his regular season stats, but hardly a bust. I think any of the big cap space teams could do a lot worse than signing Marner.
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It’s not as simple as that. There are some games where he got 5 points in one game. A PPG is not always a PPG.
 
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