Value of: Which teams are willing to give $13M, 7 years to Mitch Marner this summer?

[SirloinUB]

The context of this conversation is not Yzerman's tenure as a Red Wings GM, it's Yzerman's tenure as a GM period.

And you can go all the way back to my initial responses to you to find that context...

Bit of a miscommunication then because I was thinking about this in the context of the Red Wings. It is worth noting the Lightning were capped out for much of his tenure there.

Still these kinds of players are so rarely on the market, I don't think history is a good indication of what a GM is willing or unwilling to do.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I did as well as others did, and proved with facts, on 5 years of drafting, but you just kept moving the goalposts and didn’t like that you were proven wrong, initially, so I stopped replying,
once it became obvious, all you were going to do was keep moving the goalpost each time, until you eventually get one point right.

You move goalposts endlessly on discussions, and has become a schtik now, so sorry not interested in disengenious hyperbole. See ya.

Which goalposts were moved? Just curious.

Please say that I suddenly included his time in Tampa, even though I already cited posts where I was talking about his overall GM career from the beginning. Please try it.

EDIT: Ope, and @SirloinUB has since acknowledged that we miscommunicated and that I was talking about his overall GM career the whole time. Fair play Sirloin, it's no biggie.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Bit of a miscommunication then because I was thinking about this in the context of the Red Wings. It is worth noting the Lightning were capped out for much of his tenure there.

Still these kinds of players are so rarely on the market, I don't think history is a good indication of what a GM is willing or unwilling to do.

It's all good. I mean his overall career. You're right, to a degree, that he didn't really have the cap to do it in Tampa for most of those years.

I just don't see it though. One because Yzerman's never really done it, and based on everything he says, doesn't sound like the type that would do it. Two because it's a winger. Elite player or not, we don't need help on the wing nearly as bad as we need a Top 6 center or a Top 4 LHD. (Even RHD would be nice, but ASP is looming)

And we don't need to break our cap structure to make a winger our highest paid player by nearly $5M. That doesn't really work out well for anybody. Didn't work for Columbus with Laine or Gaudreau. Didn't work for Calgary with Huberdeau. (A trade, to be fair, and they gave up the better player) Didn't work for NYR with Panarin.

I just don't see the guy who played hardball to beat Debrincat from the 8 x $8M he reportedly wanted down to 4 x $7.8M turning around two years later and throwing 7 x $13M+ at Marner. And yes, Marner is much better than Debrincat.

 

[AvroArrow]

People are really basing his lack of playoff ability on a single series from last season's playoffs. He had 14 points in 11 games the year before.

Nylander, Matthews, and Tavares were also below a ppg last playoffs, with Tavares having 2 points in seven games. Matthews was injured and Boston shut the whole team down offensively. Marner became the scapegoat.

IIRC 9 of those 14 points came in the first 3 games of the playoffs

 

[TS Quint]

can’t see this being an Yzerman move