Ah what a comparable. Kopitar, the selke winner, focal point of his team's offense, shutdown C that's played on a very defensive minded team. Vs Marner, the soft winger who's main job is put up points while only requiring to be his teams 2nd-4th best offensive player, who can't even manage to he worth his cap hit in those favorable circumstances
Value of: Which teams are willing to give $13M, 7 years to Mitch Marner this summer?
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Crazy8oooo
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Way to spin it. You missed the entire point.
I responded to someone who used ppg as a basis for Marner not being a good player. I merely countered it by pointing out that Kopitar has also not been ppg in the majority of his playoffs. It was his argument (ppg) not mine. Absurd? Yep, but that was his argument for it.
None of the other points you bring up have anything to do with me responding to his comment so it’s all meaningless to my response to him. And btw, Marner is a very good defensive player as well and has been a selke finalist to prove it. But again, my argument wasn’t that Kopitar isn’t good but rather his ppg argument was lame.
Kopitar really isn't the same caliber of player is he? He's a defensive minded center who managed to show up and either tie for or lead the playoffs in scoring twice while winning the Cup those two years. He's not expected to put up the offensive numbers that Marner is
I didn't miss the point. You just didn't have one.
PPG is a lame argument against an elite shutdown 2x cup winning C. PPG is not a lame argument against a scoring winger, that falls behind his contract peers come playoff time
Crazy8oooo
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That wasn’t your point that you made, however. You simply used his ppg as a measure of his worth as a player. If you’re going to bring up defense as well then you have to recognize that Marner is also a very good defensive forward.
lol. You’re ignoring that Marner is more than just a scoring winger. But hey, if that fits your narrative.
How is it lame? The point of it was to show the talk about Marner not being a playoff player goes beyond last seasons playoffs. It's been talked about for several years because he fails to show up along with the rest of the team. Two of those three PPG runs for Marner he had a few big games early and then went cold for the rest of the series. For a guy with his capabilities and paycheck, he's not showing up in the playoffs
Getting a couple 4th place selke votes when you play in the biggest media market in the league isn't the flex you think it is, especially not when you put it up against kopitar
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He doesn't make sense for half the teams in the NHL in terms of their timelines. There are only a few teams outside of the leafs where they can afford his AAV and would fit their timeline.
ANA - nope, too many other holes
BOS - Have Pasternak
BUF - Could work space wise but I don't think he wants to go to Buffalo
CGY - Could afford him easily, but Kadri is 34, Backlund is 35,
CAR- Already have Svechnikov and no space plus Orlov and Burns are pending UFAs which would require that money to get D replacements
CHI- Too many holes, doesn't fit the timeline
COL- Rantanen is already a pending UFA
CBJ- Plenty of cap space, but does he want to go to CBJ?
DAL- Possible
DET- Possible
EDM - Theorhetically possible but the Oilers have some holes that they need to fill
FLA- No cap room
LAK- Possible
MIN- Not enough Cap space
MTL- Possible
NAS- Possible, but does he want to go to Nashville given their performance
NJD- Not enough cap space
NYI- Could work but does he want to go to Islanders, Plus Dobson is a RFA, which wiould likely mean not enough cap space.
NYR- Space , but NYR needs to sin some defensemen and the culture is a mess.
OTT- Would need to clear a bit, but does he want to go to OTT
PHI- Not enough space and not sure he'd want to go Philly.
PIT- Not enough Cap Space
SJS- Doesn't fit the timeline and the Sharks have too many holes. Not to mention I don't think he wants to go to SJS.
SEA- Space would be tight, but would he want to go there.
STL- Not enough cap space
TBL- Not enough cap sapce
UTA- Not sure he'd want to go to Utah
VAN- Would need to clear space
VGK- Not enough space and Mark Stone is already there
WAS- Could do it, but wonder if WAS needs a C more
WPG- Possible but space would need to be cleared and Pionk would need to either be signed or repalced.
ANA - nope, too many other holes
BOS - Have Pasternak
BUF - Could work space wise but I don't think he wants to go to Buffalo
CGY - Could afford him easily, but Kadri is 34, Backlund is 35,
CAR- Already have Svechnikov and no space plus Orlov and Burns are pending UFAs which would require that money to get D replacements
CHI- Too many holes, doesn't fit the timeline
COL- Rantanen is already a pending UFA
CBJ- Plenty of cap space, but does he want to go to CBJ?
DAL- Possible
DET- Possible
EDM - Theorhetically possible but the Oilers have some holes that they need to fill
FLA- No cap room
LAK- Possible
MIN- Not enough Cap space
MTL- Possible
NAS- Possible, but does he want to go to Nashville given their performance
NJD- Not enough cap space
NYI- Could work but does he want to go to Islanders, Plus Dobson is a RFA, which wiould likely mean not enough cap space.
NYR- Space , but NYR needs to sin some defensemen and the culture is a mess.
OTT- Would need to clear a bit, but does he want to go to OTT
PHI- Not enough space and not sure he'd want to go Philly.
PIT- Not enough Cap Space
SJS- Doesn't fit the timeline and the Sharks have too many holes. Not to mention I don't think he wants to go to SJS.
SEA- Space would be tight, but would he want to go there.
STL- Not enough cap space
TBL- Not enough cap sapce
UTA- Not sure he'd want to go to Utah
VAN- Would need to clear space
VGK- Not enough space and Mark Stone is already there
WAS- Could do it, but wonder if WAS needs a C more
WPG- Possible but space would need to be cleared and Pionk would need to either be signed or repalced.
Seems to mirror the fanbase, he might as well re-sign in Toronto
Crazy8oooo
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It’s not a legit argument to just use his point totals and not recognize that he’s also a very good defensive forward, yet when I brought up Kopitar to show that it’s a silly argument, you dismissed his point totals and used his defensive skills to show his worth. Both players are counted on to produce offensively and defensively yet somehow only Marner is faulted for lower point totals.
The Jackets could make it 8 if they do a Severson-style sign and trade
Glad my Devils are capped out of this scenario for sure.
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Yep, downplay his positives to suit your narrative. Par for the course.
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The wings look like one of those desperate teams that would be in on him. There would be alot in on him but not at 13.
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f*** it, ducks should go for it. we need at least one proven star forward on this team. don't care about any of the other issues he might have.
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Bruins should be willing to give that contract to someone, Marner, Rantanen... they need another elite talent in the mix.
