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I don’t see Fleury getting in without a top three Vezina year. He won a lot of games on great teams. The voters haven’t been generous minded to goalies in the past. Just ask Tom Barrasso.
He's the biggest mix of I'm unsure how he will be considered by voters.I don’t see Fleury getting in without a top three Vezina year. He won a lot of games on great teams. The voters haven’t been generous minded to goalies in the past. Just ask Tom Barrasso.
More so the lack of games missed more than the length
And why is jumbo joe not on this list
Once again, why wouldnt Rask get in? I believe he's close to, if not number one for playoff sv%, a Vezina, a couple Jennings, multiple Vezina nominations, great international record and a cup win (even if it wasnt as a starter).
I get that Fleury is 5th on all-time wins list and unlike Cujo, whose 7th on the list, he has 3 Cups.He's the biggest mix of I'm unsure how he will be considered by voters.
But the NHL all decade list they did last year he was 2nd, and listed as. Winner of 3 cups. If that mentality is held by enough voters, and I certainly know it will be by plenty, I can see him getting in. I don't think Quick or Fleury deserve it at all. They have each had 1 elite season is all. A couple great playoff wins and tourneys, but that is not enough for a goalie standard. Rask still has potential to get more great years under his belt so I don't know about him yet.
Seem to be ignoring his success in the playoffs as well. As well as international bronze on a bad Finland teamOne vezina, zero cups(Less than .500 win percentage in the season, .918 to thomas .938, zero playoff games in 2011. He wasn't a factor at all in their season), low career wins number. I'm assuming the rumors earlier this year that he retires after this season are true. If he plays until 37-39 and gets 400+ wins not doubt he gets in. Now? Doubtful
The other posters' breakdowns of who gets in make sense.
However, since Kevin Lowe and Guy Carbonneau got in the hall, all of these players should get in.
I don’t see Fleury getting in without a top three Vezina year. He won a lot of games on great teams. The voters haven’t been generous minded to goalies in the past. Just ask Tom Barrasso.
Marleau
Perry
Getzlaf
Kovalchuk
Weber
Letang
Doughty
Burns
MAF
Rask
Quick
In
Marleau - 2nd most games ever, long career. respected.
Perry - triple gold club
Getzlaf
On the border
MAF probably in
Rask - not drafted high enough (weird but true)
Weber - 50/50. probably not. needs a great SC run also
Not in
Kovalchuk
Quick
Burns
Doughty - just not hood offensicw output enough
Letang - No
Isn't every Norris winner in the NHL HOF?
Why is perry a yes? Just because of his one fluke season? One of which he never even came close to ever matching again in his career or before it.
He is 36 years old, and just this season cracked 800 points in 1050 games played.
A lot of these guys are a huge maybe. Except Doughty, and Marleau because of how many games he played.
To the types of old players and guys who vote on these things, it absolutely matters. It may be your criteria or your standard to say a player has to have been one of the best players in the league at anytime... but you can't say that's a standard actual hall voters have held too.Games played pretty much means zilch, I don't think you could say that Marleau was ever one of the best players in the league at anytime.
To the types of old players and guys who vote on these things, it absolutely matters. It may be your criteria or your standard to say a player has to have been one of the best players in the league at anytime... but you can't say that's a standard actual hall voters have held too.
Marleau - No (2x OG golds, 1x World Cup title; non-essential to any of the 3)
Perry - Unsure (1x Hart, 1x Rocket, 1x Stanley Cup; non-essential in 2/3rds of 1x World Cup, 2x OG golds)
Getzlaf - Unsure (1x Cup, 1x 2nd team all star; 120 playoff pts [125 gp]; non-essential in 2/3rds of 1x World Cup, 2x OG golds)
Kovalchuk - No (1x 1st team all star, 1x 2nd team all star, 1x Rocket, 1x OG gold [not recognized])
Weber - Yes (2× 1st team all star, 2x 2nd team all star, 2x OG golds, 1x World Cup title)
Letang - Yes (2× 2nd Team All Star, #1D on 3 Cup teams)
Doughty - Yes (2x Cups, 2x OG golds, 1x World Cup, 1x Norris, 2x 1st team all star, 2x 2nd team all star)
Burns - Unsure (1x Norris, 2x 1st team all star, 1x 2nd team all star, 1x World Cup title)
MAF - No (1 Cup as a starter [out of 3 Finals visits as a starter]; not getting in before Osgood [1x 2nd team all star + 2 Cups as a starter [out of 3 Finals visits as a starter])
Rask - Yes...for now (1× 1st team all star; 1x 2nd team all star; 1x Vezina; 0.922 regular/0.926 playoffs)
Quick - Yes (winningest US-born goalie, winningest Kings goalie, 1x 2nd team all star, Smythe, 2 Cups)
Bolded have no historical relevance to the NHL HOF selections. There are hordes of international players with cupboards full of international trinkets outside the NHL HOF.
Lol watch Kariya's induction. Best-on-best achievements are always considered. Thats why I specified that I dont recognize Kovy's OG gold.