Line Combos: Which Kings Lineup is Better?
- Thread starter Ziggy Stardust
- Start date
SettlementRichie10
Registered User
- May 6, 2012
- 10,193
- 8,382
Honestly, they’re probably a wash, which is so hilarious to me lol.
KingsHockey24
Registered User
- Aug 1, 2013
- 14,544
- 13,368
Lets wait and see how the roster ends up before comparing the two.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
You don't think there's a slight difference between Lizotte as one of the top 3 centers versus Dubois?
It is based on what we see today on paper. It's not a life or death choice. Some of you seem afraid to cast a vote
.
johnjm22
Pseudo Intellectual
- Aug 2, 2005
- 20,950
- 17,820
Getting rid of Edler, Durzi and Walker improves the roster significantly.
Iaffalo and Vilardi for PLD is an over downgrade.
So better defense, worse forward group. Probably cancels each other out.
Iaffalo and Vilardi for PLD is an over downgrade.
So better defense, worse forward group. Probably cancels each other out.
Cianide
Under New Management
- Jun 11, 2022
- 647
- 307
Vilardi at wing is hampering him. He'd be much better at center but now we got that 70 point center that will really improve the team. Losing vilardi bad, gaining dubois good.
The Butcher
Mammoth Mooseknuckles Hockey
Well it's hard to compare because one of them actually played games and the other is a hypothetical.You don't think there's a slight difference between Lizotte as one of the top 3 centers versus Dubois?
It is based on what we see today on paper. It's not a life or death choice. Some of you seem afraid to cast a vote
I'd say the two are comparable but on paper I don't see it as a team that gets by Edmonton any easier.
But, I'll be the first to admit that I'm wrong about speculation about half the time, something I wish more of you would admit to.
One thing I do know is the Kings better be in the WCF this season or I think this trade will look awful in hindsight.
Still cautiously optimistic.
Herby
Thank You, Team 144
I don’t think either team was ever going to win anything, but they are closer than they were yesterday.
You can slot Kaliyev into Vilardi’s role and there is atleast a chance he scores at a similar pace (30G, 53 Pts). There is no center who was in a depth role or in Ontario that was going to come in produce like PLD is likely to produce.
C was a weakness for the Kings and now it’s a strength.
You can slot Kaliyev into Vilardi’s role and there is atleast a chance he scores at a similar pace (30G, 53 Pts). There is no center who was in a depth role or in Ontario that was going to come in produce like PLD is likely to produce.
C was a weakness for the Kings and now it’s a strength.
SettlementRichie10
Registered User
- May 6, 2012
- 10,193
- 8,382
You don't think there's a slight difference between Lizotte as one of the top 3 centers versus Dubois?
It is based on what we see today on paper. It's not a life or death choice. Some of you seem afraid to cast a vote
We’re clearly better down the middle but lost an entire line’s worth of productive top nine wingers.
I honestly think it’s too tough tell just comparing forward core to forward core. If PLD goes beast mode playing easier minutes behind Kopitar-Kempe, then f*** yeah, great trade. But if Kopitar regresses due to age, and we can’t find the depth scoring we summoned from Vilardi and co. on the wings last year, could be bad.
I think we’re clearly better on D, though. No question.
So overall, yeah, put a gun to my head? 23/24 Kings are better on paper.
Surf Nutz
Hockey Remote Viewer With A Frozen Finger
You don't think there's a slight difference between Lizotte as one of the top 3 centers versus Dubois?
It is based on what we see today on paper. It's not a life or death choice. Some of you seem afraid to cast a vote
They are, big ego can't be caught wrong.
Illustrative poll.
SaltyElkHunter
I …. am…. The LA Kings!
Uh isn’t hockey played with goalies. OP and Blake have missed that apparently.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
Yes, clearly they plan to start the season with only Copley as an option and nobody else.
I am hoping kaliyev and Fagemo provide 20-30 goals at least.
Hoping Clarke can be a difference maker and Spence and Bjornfot platoon until one locks down a spot.
Goaltending will be the key. I honestly have faith in Copley but am hoping for a guy like Talbot or Reimer too.
Hoping Clarke can be a difference maker and Spence and Bjornfot platoon until one locks down a spot.
Goaltending will be the key. I honestly have faith in Copley but am hoping for a guy like Talbot or Reimer too.
johnjm22
Pseudo Intellectual
- Aug 2, 2005
- 20,950
- 17,820
I think this season will be a demonstration of how important (or not important) the center position is compared to wingers.
You're going from two wings who each have higher Wins-Above-Replacement than the center we just exchanged them for.
Is the value of the center position enough to negate the loss of those wingers?
You're going from two wings who each have higher Wins-Above-Replacement than the center we just exchanged them for.
Is the value of the center position enough to negate the loss of those wingers?
Last edited:
Bandit
Registered User
Don't act like they haven't considered it.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
I think the top line and bottom two lines shouldn’t be a concern, but that second scoring unit certainly seems like their defense will be their offense. Kaliyev also made some strides in improving his play away from the puck, and he can make plays that Vilardi made with the puck.
unicornpig
Registered User
- Dec 8, 2017
- 3,756
- 5,493
johnjm22
Pseudo Intellectual
- Aug 2, 2005
- 20,950
- 17,820
I think the lineup would really benefit from adding a gritty right shot defensive winger with some size for the bottom 6.
We need to be able to roll the lines. That's the biggest reason we failed against Edmonton the last two playoffs IMO. We only had 2 functioning forward lines in each series.
Vegas won the SC because of depth.
Max Comtois and Nathan Beaulieu would make this team a better.
Same with Nick Seeler and one of Lucic/Reaves/Kassian or Nick Ritchie.
Same with Nick Seeler and one of Lucic/Reaves/Kassian or Nick Ritchie.
bmr
Registered User
- Jan 23, 2013
- 1,883
- 1,710
It should be clear to everyone that having Iafallo off the team for that stretch hurt the team defensively. Gabe also made big strides in that area and was quite defensively responsible. I think Fagemo can be similar, but he's definitely not as skilled as Vilardi. Kaliyev has potential, but he still hasn't put everything together yet. Hopefully Blake is not done. We are already better with Clarke in and Durzi out, but the jury is still out on how next year will go.
Fiala did not disappoint - hopefully PLD is the same.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
Here’s something some Kings fans can’t seem to accept.
Mats26
Vet Movement - What's the Maatta?
- Sep 16, 2005
- 3,864
- 3,800
Arizona would of been better if they don't ice Durzi-Edler. What a disaster that was for us.
Or D is good, if we get another LD with size, possibly next year with more cap space? Or a TDL deal?
Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov - Clarke\Spence
Bjornfot - Roy
Kids need to step up, we're only contending if we got prospects producing with on their ELC.
If Copley can get us to the TDL, we can maybe pull a trade for a playoff Goalie then? This is the biggest hole right now.
Or D is good, if we get another LD with size, possibly next year with more cap space? Or a TDL deal?
Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov - Clarke\Spence
Bjornfot - Roy
Kids need to step up, we're only contending if we got prospects producing with on their ELC.
If Copley can get us to the TDL, we can maybe pull a trade for a playoff Goalie then? This is the biggest hole right now.
