Which Franchise Player Would You Rather Have in Their Prime? (Poll Redo)

[McFlash97]

A defenseman who scores 50, gets a 100 and defends like Ekholm ?

Where do we sign ?

 

[Felidae]

Don't know why people are saying option 2 is Orr level.. im assuming this is in the current scoring environment correct? If so, then 100 points would be good for around 8th in the league if we're going by pace of the top 10 scorers this season, which is were Hughes ranks atm.

Would definitely be the best goalscoring season of all time by a defenseman. But Orr was contending for Art Ross trophies.

I'd say the season is a significantly better goalscoring Potvin. So basically the next best thing after Orr.

 

[SirPaste]

Give me that Dman every time

 

[Jayevs]

So pretty much Makar with an extra 20 goals/year would just be absurd

 

[hamzarocks]

The Goalie AINEC

Goaltending is the only position in hockey that can control a game.

A goalie putting .935 sv% assuming he starts 60+ games will be having a bottom tier team as mid 90s team or an elite team as a 130+ pt team

If that play carries on into the playoffs (.930+ sv%) your almost guaranteed a deep run every year or at least most years.

There is no goalie who can put up a .935% SV% irrespective of who the defense is infront of them. There arent goalies who can play 60 games really anymore

This type of player has never existed.

Give me a goalie who can avg 15-20 years of .935 sv%, 60-65 starts per year and carry that 99.5% (.925 sv% minimum in playoffs) into the playoffs and you will have the GOAT of Hockey, someone better than Gretzky

 

[nowhereman]

was orr good defensively? think the dman is misleading. Obviously not 50 goals but Karlsson just had 100pt season on a horrible team and im sure he was his usual liability in his own zone. 125+pt selke winner is by its own wording doing everything on the ice. Definitely between forward and goalie.

* didnt see the top 5 defensively from the first post.

Very.

 

[Toby91ca]

The Goalie AINEC

Goaltending is the only position in hockey that can control a game.

Generally, I don't disagree, if you have a rock solid goalie, you'll at least be in every game and have a chance to win....but for the sake of argument, you could also suggest that the Goalie is a unique position in that they have no ability to control half of the game (offense)...while F and D can at least help score and keep the puck out.

 

[hamzarocks]

Generally, I don't disagree, if you have a rock solid goalie, you'll at least be in every game and have a chance to win....but for the sake of argument, you could also suggest that the Goalie is a unique position in that they have no ability to control half of the game (offense)...while F and D can at least help score and keep the puck out.

I guess it comes to chicken and egg haha. A goalie cant win you a game but he can keep it 0-0 for as long as it takes for anyone on his team to score

I dont rank goalies high b/c they arent as cobsistent as top D and F in the league

But a theoretical goalie who can save 93.5% of shots he faces is going to win a LOT of games.

That type of goal tending should let you win 1-0 gakes when you get outshot 40-20 (not every game but at their best)

A 125 Pt Forward or 100 Pt D, will usually have their impact on some games more than others while a .935 goalie can be more impactful period ti period if hes making big time saves when a teams getting slaughtered.

I guess the OPs question does lack context though.

Are these three players on league bottom feeders or top contenders doing the mentioned performance? That could sway the answer to whose more valuable

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Hard not to pick the goalie but that defenseman is a unicorn who would be played close to 30mins per game.
With any above average goalie that team is going to be great.

 

[Toby91ca]

I guess it comes to chicken and egg haha. A goalie cant win you a game but he can keep it 0-0 for as long as it takes for anyone on his team to score

I dont rank goalies high b/c they arent as cobsistent as top D and F in the league

But a theoretical goalie who can save 93.5% of shots he faces is going to win a LOT of games.

That type of goal tending should let you win 1-0 gakes when you get outshot 40-20 (not every game but at their best)

A 125 Pt Forward or 100 Pt D, will usually have their impact on some games more than others while a .935 goalie can be more impactful period ti period if hes making big time saves when a teams getting slaughtered.

I guess the OPs question does lack context though.

Are these three players on league bottom feeders or top contenders doing the mentioned performance? That could sway the answer to whose more valuable

I honestly don't spend any time at all ranking players, but when discussions of top 10 best all-time players, etc., it's not that I rank goalies lower, I simply ignore them all together and suggest you need to rank them separately, the position is just too different to compare. Hard enough comparing F and D, you can't through G's in the mix as well. How do you compare Gretzky to Roy? I get that you would compare how they are seen in their position, etc....but I look at, who is the better hockey player, the goalie or the skater....how do you compare? Who was the fastest skater, best shot, etc....just doesn't work.

 

[DFC]

Vezina winner is easily last. Been there done that. The best goalie is not that much better than average and goalie is too much a product of the team.

I said the Selke winner. You can be Karlsson and have 100 points and win the Norris but your defense sucks. 125 player is good for the art ross and you add Selke level defense? I'm shocked it's not number 1.

50 goals + top 5 Defense is more like Bobby Orr territory. Better, even. It's arguably the best player in the history of the league. Easily the answer.

 

[Run the Gauntlet]

50 Goal 100 Point Norris Winner (& top 5 defensively)

This is the best option but its also video game statistics. You cannot score that many goals and points and be top 5 defensibly.
Since the league modernized in the late 80's and early 90's those numbers are not possibly.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Feel like the goalie gives you the best chance at the cup. A guaranteed .935 night in and out is crazy, even with an average roster you're probably the cup favourites

 

[elmaco]

This dman is when you used to be able to create your own character in ea sports nhl and then put all his attributes to max.

 

[Voodoo Child]

I'll take the Vezina winner, gotta have a good goalie. The Selke winner is nice and a 50-100 D man who is top 5 defensively is an effectively impossible to exist player, since no D has ever got 50 goals and only one who got 40 was top-5 defensively.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Don't know why people are saying option 2 is Orr level.. im assuming this is in the current scoring environment correct? If so, then 100 points would be good for around 8th in the league if we're going by pace of the top 10 scorers this season, which is were Hughes ranks atm.

Would definitely be the best goalscoring season of all time by a defenseman. But Orr was contending for Art Ross trophies.

I'd say the season is a significantly better goalscoring Potvin. So basically the next best thing after Orr.

Yeah, those saying "it's Orr" are taking it too far.

I look at is as Ray Bourque with double the goals vs peak Fedorov.

I'm taking the defenceman.

 

[Hennessy]

It's the goalie, people.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Yeah, those saying "it's Orr" are taking it too far.

I look at is as Ray Bourque with double the goals vs peak Fedorov.

I'm taking the defenceman.

hey dont forget about peak doug gilmour! highest scoring selke winner ever

50 goals + top 5 Defense is more like Bobby Orr territory. Better, even. It's arguably the best player in the history of the league. Easily the answer.

Bobby Orr had a 46 goal 89 assist season so i wouldnt say 50/50 is better than Orr

 

[DFC]

hey dont forget about peak doug gilmour! highest scoring selke winner ever


Bobby Orr had a 46 goal 89 assist season so i wouldnt say 50/50 is better than Orr

That's his peak season. I'm assuming we are talking consistency with this Dman. If Orr was consistently 50-50, it would be pretty close between him and Gretzky. You could argue it's close as is.

 

[Regal]

That's his peak season. I'm assuming we are talking consistency with this Dman. If Orr was consistently 50-50, it would be pretty close between him and Gretzky. You could argue it's close as is.

Orr averaged 39 goals and 135 points per 82 games over his 6 big years. He was either 1st or 2nd in points and points per game in 5 of those years and the other he was 3rd in both. 50 goals is big but I’m not sure if it’s better than 30 more points

 

[DFC]

Orr averaged 39 goals and 135 points per 82 games over his 6 big years. He was either 1st or 2nd in points and points per game in 5 of those years and the other he was 3rd in both. 50 goals is big but I’m not sure if it’s better than 30 more points

That's still pretty comparable to Orr. Just saying, I don't think there should be much argument between Orr vs. Peak Fedorov/Gilmour.

 

[x Tame Impala]

That Dman is controlling the ice in all 3 zones for 26+ minutes a night if he’s putting up those numbers and is top 5 defensively.

 

[Stephen]

Don't know why people are saying option 2 is Orr level.. im assuming this is in the current scoring environment correct? If so, then 100 points would be good for around 8th in the league if we're going by pace of the top 10 scorers this season, which is were Hughes ranks atm.

Would definitely be the best goalscoring season of all time by a defenseman. But Orr was contending for Art Ross trophies.

I'd say the season is a significantly better goalscoring Potvin. So basically the next best thing after Orr.

The 50 goal scoring D is a bit of a misleading detail because neither Orr nor Coffey were able to hit that mark in higher scoring eras, and it would also mean an oddly balanced G to A ratio. Add the top give defense and it's someone we've never seen before.