Proposal: Which forward under 25 years old would your team trade for the Habs' 1st pick (Winipeg's) who will be between 24-27 + one of these defenders (Harris,

[jfhabs]

I would trade Struble for Kaliyev.

Meh don't really like Kaliyev , if he's not on your top 6 he isn't very useful. More of a specialist. He'd end up being used like he is in LA when we'd get good enough.

 

[Miller Time]

I would trade Struble for Kaliyev.

Doubt KH would target Kaliyev... Skating is a major focus for the Habs direction and not his forte

One of Frost or Farabee could be interesting. Will probably have to add for Farabee

Both of those are targets I could see the Habs inquiring about... And I could see the Flyers being very interested in Strubble.

Wouldn't surprise me if they end up trading partners this summer.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Doubt KH would target Kaliyev... Skating is a major focus for the Habs direction and not his forte



Both of those are targets I could see the Habs inquiring about... And I could see the Flyers being very interested in Strubble.

Wouldn't surprise me if they end up trading partners this summer.

Fair - i didn’t realize Kaliyev was a poor skater. That would be a deal breaker.

 

[bernmeister]

Kakko can be signed to an offer sheet 4 million per compensation 2025 second round pick.

He can sign ballpark competitive $$ to stay in NY, where they only need for Chytil to return, then he is in dynamic 3rd line w/Cuylle, a line they will give mo mins to, to extend shelf life of top 6.

No good reason to take similar $ elsewhere, and then what are prospects for ongoing line w/continuity = familiarity = comfort = chemistry = production

Not acceptable....

19 points in 61 games is a BUST.

A trade will only help him revive his career.

Wrong
He had signif injury = down/time and it is not his fault they did not promptly have pivot solution

Not a bust
best interests is to remain here

Yr ignoring what I said post 69 does not mean what I said is not true
Hence your narrative remains unacceptable

If Habs don't do it, any of the bottom teams looking to revive Kakkos career can do it. And Kakko would be a fool not to sign.

KK would be a fool to walk away from a club w/resources that has motivation to do all it can to help him succeed maximally.

Chytil injury, whether he returns or not, = temp setback

 

[Habs Halifax]

Romanov and 98th overall went for 13th overall
Dach went for 13th and 66th overall
Newhook went for 31st and 37th overall (and an AHLer)

So I don't get why people are acting like ~25th overall and Harris/Struble is some laughable offer for a struggling young F with potential.

Because they hate the Habs and they have zero interest in doing this in good faith.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Habs better off packing
* Jets 1st (25-28 range)
* Mesar
* Avs 2nd
* Harris

To move from 25-28 to 14-18 range.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Kaliyev and Kakko would be on my radar for 24th and Struble/Harris/Barron

Yes, i know, Kakko is worth 4 1sts....

A year ago I'd have said no, but I'd probably do Kakko for Peg 1st and the better of those D men. NYR D-pool is pretty thin looking down the 4-5 year road it takes to develop.

Drury hasn't been hitting D prospects in the draft like Gorts crew was.

 

[Grinner]

Habs better off packing
* Jets 1st (25-28 range)
* Mesar
* Avs 2nd
* Harris

To move from 25-28 to 14-18 range.

As a Sharks fan, I'm not interested in trading down from 14. That package doesn't move the needle

 

[Habs Halifax]

As a Sharks fan, I'm not interested in trading down from 14. That package doesn't move the needle

Fair but what do you honestly think is fair? You won't get a grade A prospect stud on top of the Jets 1st. I think the package I posted does line up with past trades from before (ish). Not saying you should run and do it but the value is there.

Do you know much about Mesar? Please don't spin back that he is just some meh prospect. He's a late 1st who is trending well. Not grade A but certainly B+

Only reason you see Mesar's name is because Habs are already loaded with middle 6F types in our pool.

 

[Gaud]

Judging by the volume and frequency of the proposals where all of these guys are laid out as being so high value by some, it seems not all, but many are.

Habs fans are more numerous, enthusiastic, hockey-crazed and enflamed about hockey than most other teams. I assume the percentages would be the same across the board if the engagement was the same.

I think in general the fanbase is well versed in hockey - i mean the market in MTL only speaks hockey, so there are lots of "pros" talking. Of course, one notices the ludicrous more than the mundane; for every one crazy proposal are probably a dozen boring ones.

Ooooo I always wanted to say this.

Wrong Foote.

i hate starting the day on the wrong foote

 

[Grinner]

Fair but what do you honestly think is fair? You won't get a grade A prospect stud on top of the Jets 1st. I think the package I posted does line up with past trades from before (ish). Not saying you should run and do it but the value is there.

Do you know much about Mesar? Please don't spin back that he is just some meh prospect. He's a late 1st who is trending well. Not grade A but certainly B+

Only reason you see Mesar's name is because Habs are already loaded with middle 6F types in our pool.

I see that around 14 is the sweet spot for the sort of RWer the Sharks sorely lack. One that can play in the top 6. One that will compliment our current and projected LWers and centers. The Sharks are pretty much set( projection wise)at middle wingers and lower tiered defenders.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I see that around 14 is the sweet spot for the sort of RWer the Sharks sorely lack. One that can play in the top 6. One that will compliment our current and projected LWers and centers. The Sharks are pretty much set( projection wise)at middle wingers and lower tiered defenders.

Totally understand. If you have my mind set on a group of guys at that spot, takes a lot to move you off of it.

Usually, teams only trade down if the group of targets gets taken and they have another group that they feel they can get later.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I just think that the ++ in addition to the Jets later 1st round pick would have to be a real doozy. Farabee isn't some kind of stalled out filler looking for a more defined role like Newhook was.

He's a barely 24 year old 50Pt+ Top-6 Winger that's still trending upward...and locked up to a bunch of years of a really solid value contract. Plus, an exceptionally strong 5v5 producer. He was ~Top-80ish in the entire league for 5v5 Points last year, and at the doorstep of Top-70 among Forwards. That's bona fide first line caliber even strength performance. Guys around that same ballpark or behind him are like...Buchnevich, Fiala, Giroux, Connor, Kreider, et al.

So whatever that ++ is, it would need to hurt. Might even be worth more than the Jets 1st round pick tbh.


Of course, who knows if Dany Briere really knows/appreciates what he has there. Always a chance he does something stupid and trades a gem like Farabee for less than he's worth. But i certainly wouldn't count on it. He seems to mostly have his head screwed on straight as a GM. And Farabee very much still fits with the age group of their rebuild.



Morgan Frost is closer to that sort of Newhook/Dach type category imo. Though even then, he had a little bit of a "breakthrough" season. Just a matter of whether Briere thinks that's an opportunity to "sell high" on him or not.

I completely agree with you. I don’t know where Briere is at either but if he has any willingness to hear offers on Farabee then Montreal should be on it. He would fit right in our top 6.

My offer would be WIN 1st, Mesar and either one of our 2nd round or one of our young NHL D

 

[GCK]

Kaliyev and Kakko would be on my radar for 24th and Struble/Harris/Barron

Yes, i know, Kakko is worth 4 1sts....

Kakko is worth more but Kaliyev for the Winnipeg pick seems fair.

 

[JRichard]

Doubt KH would target Kaliyev... Skating is a major focus for the Habs direction and not his forte



Both of those are targets I could see the Habs inquiring about... And I could see the Flyers being very interested in Strubble.

Wouldn't surprise me if they end up trading partners this summer.

Flyers have many needs but ld aint one of them. Sanheim, York, Zamula, Seeler all shoot left.

Best prospect in AHL Andrae 2nd rounder shoots left.

Only Drysdale and Risto both injured shoot right.

As far as Frost (c) and farabee (lw) they are the other weak spots.

Deep at rw: Konecny, Tippett, Foerster, Brink, Atkinson, Ryan Johansen. Plus prospects Tuomaala, Lycksell and Gendron.

And some guy named Michkov…

My guess is Konecny would be the one leaving.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Flyers have many needs but ld aint one of them. Sanheim, York, Zamula, Seeler all shoot left.

Best prospect in AHL Andrae 2nd rounder shoots left.

Only Drysdale and Risto both injured shoot right.

As far as Frost (c) and farabee (lw) they are the other weak spots.

Deep at rw: Konecny, Tippett, Foerster, Brink, Atkinson, Ryan Johansen. Plus prospects Tuomaala, Lycksell and Gendron.

And some guy named Michkov…

My guess is Konecny would be the one leaving.

Konency would be the type of player that would fit nicely. Plays in all situations, physical, pest


His next contract would fit in with the time frame for most and then the habs could move on from him, or sell him in the future potentially.

 

[Nevins]

Nick Robertson for the pick only.

No.

 

[JRichard]

Konency would be the type of player that would fit nicely. Plays in all situations, physical, pest


His next contract would fit in with the time frame for most and then the habs could move on from him, or sell him in the future potentially.

Not sure about fit though.

Next contract will be in the 7 x 7 range and probably wont age well so a team with a 2-3 yr window would be better fit.

Philly looking for youngish scoring C or LW. Mtl doesnt have a whole lot of that to trade.

 

[HabsAddict]

Konency would be the type of player that would fit nicely. Plays in all situations, physical, pest


His next contract would fit in with the time frame for most and then the habs could move on from him, or sell him in the future potentially.

On paper, yes...but he's goingb to be outside the range when ee want to compete. He's going to be in his early 30s. Not dead but not ideal.

That's why we have an arbitrary 25 year old cap.


Also he's FA after next season. Which means that we really don't know how he fits in before we have to take a 7x7 plunge.

Close...but no.

 

[Scintillating10]

Konency would be the type of player that would fit nicely. Plays in all situations, physical, pest


His next contract would fit in with the time frame for most and then the habs could move on from him, or sell him in the future potentially.

Small though ain't he?

 

[pth2]

Of course, one notices the ludicrous more than the mundane; for every one crazy proposal are probably a dozen boring ones.

I've noticed the nuttiest proposals get the most replies, which is fine when the original posters get educated... but can be frustrating for those trying to make balanced proposals.

 

[CanadienShark]

As a Sharks fan, I'm not interested in trading down from 14. That package doesn't move the needle

It's a collection of pieces that all hold (varying levels) of value, but none entice me to move #14.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Av's fan here. We gave you Newhook. Now we have zero roster forwards under 25 lol. Actually zero roster players altogether.

Thank god

 

[biturbo19]

Small though ain't he?

Konecny isn't "big". But he doesn't play anything resembling "small". So i'm not sure how much it really matters.

For the Habs though...it's a little trickier because they've already got a run down Gallagher who fits a similar bill (or at least, once upon a time he did). And Tiny Cole is objectively tiny and plays kind of tiny as well, and he's going to be a fixture in their Top-6 for a long time. Suzuki isn't big either and doesn't play very big.

I still really wouldn't worry too much about "size" with Konecny though. The issue is clearly more...1 year to UFA. That doesn't really bode well for a Habs team still in the midst of a pretty deep rebuilding process.

 

[TBF1972]

Meh don't really like Kaliyev , if he's not on your top 6 he isn't very useful. More of a specialist. He'd end up being used like he is in LA when we'd get good enough.

was newhook on the avs top 6? was dach an established top 6 forward?