Which 1st Rounder to Forfeit?

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I wouldn't pay 2.5M for the 21st overall pick. That's like two Travis Hamonics.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Who is he suing? He bought the team from the Melnyk trust, not the NHL.

It's possible that the Melnyk trust represented to him that there wasn't an open investigation, and it turned out there was, but even if that were true, his recourse is against the Melynk trust, not the NHL.

He alluded the NHL likely held this info back during the buying process so the franchise could sell for the most it possibly could.

The NHL is the one that decided the penalty and the investigation was active during the buying process. The NHL is definitely one of the parties that should be sharing any info they have with Andluer during the buying process.

The only reason Andluer wouldn't sue is to avoid creating headlines and staying in good graces with Bettman and Co. but in my opinion he should absolutely go after them for this. IF it is true that no one told him or warned him this could happen during the buying process.

 

[GCK]

It shouldn’t even be a debate. Even in the mid 20s in 2026 we could be looking at an Alex McLean or Joe Iginla. .

 

[mysens]

He alluded the NHL likely held this info back during the buying process so the franchise could sell for the most it possibly could.

The NHL is the one that decided the penalty and the investigation was active during the buying process. The NHL is definitely one of the parties that should be sharing any info they have with Andluer during the buying process.

The only reason Andluer wouldn't sue is to avoid creating headlines and staying in good graces with Bettman and Co. but in my opinion he should absolutely go after them for this. IF it is true that no one told him or warned him this could happen during the buying process.

I agree, it certainly sounds like Andlauer and team were not aware of this throughout the purchase process. And its a very important bit of information that should have been brought forward. The NHL may not have been forthcoming. This certainly would be a key piece in the negotiation process and would have affected the purchase price. It equates to buying a building that has a lingering foundation problem that was not made knowledgable in the buying process, only to find out later that there were inspections going on with a possible foundation problem, but no one talked about it. Now the new owner has to deal with this issue that will have an impact on the shiny new toy.

 

[BondraTime]

I agree, it certainly sounds like Andlauer and team were not aware of this throughout the purchase process. And its a very important bit of information that should have been brought forward. The NHL may not have been forthcoming. This certainly would be a key piece in the negotiation process and would have affected the purchase price. It equates to buying a building that has a lingering foundation problem that was not made knowledgable in the buying process, only to find out later that there were inspections going on with a possible foundation problem, but no one talked about it. Now the new owner has to deal with this issue that will have an impact on the shiny new toy.

Andlauer has said that he was told about it, and very aware of it. Dorion assured him it was “not a big deal”, or something along those lines, something that was happening but Andlauer didn’t have to worry about. He downplayed what was happening. Part of the reason he’s unlikely to get anything outside a scouting job in the league again.

The issue Andlauer would have with information not being given would be with the Melnyk board and Dorion specifically, who would be the ones who would be letting Andlauer know what he’s in store for.

 

[Micklebot]

Andlauer has said that he was told about it, and very aware of it. Dorion assured him it was “not a big deal”, or something along those lines, something that was happening but Andlauer didn’t have to worry about. He downplayed what was happening. Part of the reason he’s unlikely to get anything outside a scouting job in the league again.

The issue Andlauer would have with information not being given would be with the Melnyk board and Dorion specifically, who would be the ones who would be letting Andlauer know what he’s in store for.

That assumes the Melnyk board and Dorion were made aware of how big the punishment could be.

Why was the verdict not made prior to the sale, the NHL took 18 months to figure this out, and decided that they were only ready to announce it thirty days after the sale.

It's not like this is a court of law were you can taint the jury pool, the investigation process would have been fully completed, the NHL could easily disclose the range of potential punishments being considered as well as the factual findings to all the potential buyers, but it sounds like they didn't.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Dorion gets a lot of crap, but dumping that Dadonov contract for a 21 overall pick years later and getting back a 3rd and Holden was a tidy piece of business.

Calgary paid a 1st to give up Monahan.

Edit: forgot to switch to my pro Dorion account. Ignore this post.

 

[BigRig4]

Andlauer has said that he was told about it, and very aware of it. Dorion assured him it was “not a big deal”, or something along those lines, something that was happening but Andlauer didn’t have to worry about. He downplayed what was happening. Part of the reason he’s unlikely to get anything outside a scouting job in the league again.

The issue Andlauer would have with information not being given would be with the Melnyk board and Dorion specifically, who would be the ones who would be letting Andlauer know what he’s in store for.

I think it was the Melnyk group that told him it was “not a big deal”.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

That assumes the Melnyk board and Dorion were made aware of how big the punishment could be.

Why was the verdict not made prior to the sale, the NHL took 18 months to figure this out, and decided that they were only ready to announce it thirty days after the sale.

It's not like this is a court of law were you can taint the jury pool, the investigation process would have been fully completed, the NHL could easily disclose the range of potential punishments being considered as well as the factual findings to all the potential buyers, but it sounds like they didn't.

probably all timing . I got the sense that they were investigating and who knows where that was on their schedule .

 

[Agent Zub]

Just forfeit it and tell the team the 2026 first rounder will be used to make the team better at the next deadline.

they don't gotta tell the team shit.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

There are optics to consider about forfeiting it being seen as a vote of non-confidence in the team, which might be why Andlauer was so public about wanting to keep it and it being the decision of Staios and the scouts.

That way, when they give it up it's not, we aren't sure that we are a playoff team next year, it's that li owner wanted to keep it but out scouts believed the prospect available at 32 next year would be worth more than a 21st this year. 32 being the lowest we could pick, not a proclamation that we will pick there.

 

[Sun God Nika]

they don't gotta tell the team shit.

by not communicating the team can think they have doubts they can recreate or improve their season by deciding to forfeit their first this year.

Something like. "We feel its important to keep our first next year to help make our roster better." and if the team shits the bed you hold onto the pick.

 

[Xspyrit]

Have they said anything about this? Please for the love of Alfie, I hope they aware about the difference in quality between the 2025 and 2026 drafts.

We just have NO CHOICE but to forfeit the 1st this year. The 2025 pick would have to be in the Top-15 to this be a debate... 21st OA = NO DEBATE