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Where would you expect this line up to finish in the standings?

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moulson - tavares - boyes
bailey - nielsen - okposo
grabner - cizikas - ullstrom
martin - reasoner - joensuu
boulton

macdonald - streit
visnovsky - hamonic
martinek - carkner
hickey

nabby
DP

honestly the only spot on this roster that i don't like is DP as the back up, I'm ok with nielsen as the number 2 because of what i expect bailey to do with a whole season on the wing, martinet will probably get injured but hickey and carkner will probably compliment each other well too

i wouldn't be surprised if this team was challenging for 3rd in the division come the end of the season
omg visnovsky would help this team so much
 
Startainfection haha gotta love his optimism.


But I believe that the offense is still not very good but defense is pretty solid id say 7-10th shortened season helps isles this year
 
The shortened season will help the islanders IMO it will help any team that hasnt really changed personnel...while the isles arent extremely talented up front, they should all know how to play off each other. Teams that have new lines, wingers center ect. Have no preseason and have to produce right out of the gates with no chemistry. For once not signing anyone major can be a positive haha hows that for twisted isles fan thinking?
 
13th - 15th, whether you add Redden, Gomez, Visnovsky, or anyone else that's already in the system.

If the stars align, the Isles can make the playoffs, if ALL this happens:
- Nabby is spectacular
- They have no injuries to JT, Streit, Nabby
- Okposo and Bailey have career years
- Grabner plays like early 2011
- Boyes scores 35+ goals

JT will probably be a 55-60 pt player over the 48 games but that won't get them out of the cellar on its own. They need balance from the other lines, health and lots of luck.
 
14th or 15th unfortunately. Our defense is not NHL caliber as currently constructed. With Lubo eating up 20-25 minutes a game, I think it changes our ceiling tremendously. Even so, many many things have to go right for this team to sniff the playoffs.
 
people are being absolutely ridiculous
for the last 4 years isles fans were all like we need a top 4 dman and we will compete, this line up gives us a 3rd top pairing d-man and no one is satisfied

nielsen is usually around 45th in scoring among centers and with his defensive capabilities he should keep people content with him as a number 2 center, every one always loves how bailey plays on wing and now he would be getting a full season of it and he some how sucks anyway, okposo has finally learned how to put the puck on the net which everyone has been waiting for since his 19 game goalless streak a couple seasons ago and some how every one thinks he sucks too, there are absolutely no reasons why this team wouldn't be competing with the flyers this season for 3rd place in the division and in addition to that there are no rookies other than hickey as a number 7 dman who has already had a ton of time to develop
 
Somewhere between 7th and 15th. None of know what going to happen, how playing the condensed schedule will effect the other teams in the league. Some guys are ready to step up others not so much. We dont even know how the coaching staff will handle the team. I expect more accountability from the players with Wieght and Thompson.
Who Knows?

Lets just try to enjoy Hockey for a while.
 
moulson - tavares - boyes
bailey - nielsen - okposo
grabner - cizikas - ullstrom
martin - reasoner - joensuu
boulton

macdonald - streit
visnovsky - hamonic
martinek - carkner
hickey

nabby
DP


honestly the only spot on this roster that i don't like is DP as the back up, I'm ok with nielsen as the number 2 because of what i expect bailey to do with a whole season on the wing, martinet will probably get injured but hickey and carkner will probably compliment each other well too

i wouldn't be surprised if this team was challenging for 3rd in the division come the end of the season
omg visnovsky would help this team so much


I wouldn't take Grabner of Nielsen's Wing. I'd rather the Isles try to add another speedster to that line.
I don't care what Boyes did in st. Louis he sucked in Buffalo. PA Parenteau was a diamond in the rough. Boyes is significant downgrade.
Reasoner is useless and Boulton's even worse. The days of pure enforcers are long gone.

Do not split Hammer and Amac. But get them more help. They are the only shutdown pair the isles have but they cannot play against an entire team

Carkner's all too common triple digits in penalties are a liability. We need good Defenceman who can keep their PIMs under 50 while showing a sound defensive game night in and night out.

Nabby is way over the hill and DP is bag full of bones. Gonna have to suffer as rotating Poulin and Nilsson would mean yanking them from Bridgeport and depleting our goalie pool.


Best Result- 12th or 13th if the leafs don't deal for Loungo.
worst result- 15th if the Price, Reimer, and Miller all stand on their heads and Khudobin is reliable should Rask falter
 
people are being absolutely ridiculous
for the last 4 years isles fans were all like we need a top 4 dman and we will compete, this line up gives us a 3rd top pairing d-man and no one is satisfied

Show me the three top pairing D-men. Go to that lineup you posted, take Visnovsky out and show me who are the three top pairing d-men you speak of. I'm not even being a wise guy here. I really want you to explain who you are talking about.
 
14th or 15th unfortunately. Our defense is not NHL caliber as currently constructed. With Lubo eating up 20-25 minutes a game, I think it changes our ceiling tremendously. Even so, many many things have to go right for this team to sniff the playoffs.

This. Our D is pretty horrendous. We have 4 of the 5 we expected (Streit, AMac, Hamonic and Carkner), then add a 36 year old D-man made of glass (Martinek), and two first round busts that are career minor leaguers. In fact, even Carkner has spent most of his career in the minors (527 AHL games vs 162 NHL games). And then we replace PA Parenteau with Brad Boyes ? Not trying to be a negative nellie, but this is a last place lineup.
 
people are being absolutely ridiculous
for the last 4 years isles fans were all like we need a top 4 dman and we will compete, this line up gives us a 3rd top pairing d-man and no one is satisfied

nielsen is usually around 45th in scoring among centers and with his defensive capabilities he should keep people content with him as a number 2 center, every one always loves how bailey plays on wing and now he would be getting a full season of it and he some how sucks anyway, okposo has finally learned how to put the puck on the net which everyone has been waiting for since his 19 game goalless streak a couple seasons ago and some how every one thinks he sucks too, there are absolutely no reasons why this team wouldn't be competing with the flyers this season for 3rd place in the division and in addition to that there are no rookies other than hickey as a number 7 dman who has already had a ton of time to develop

First off, grammar is your friend. Use it.

Second, people here are not being ridiculous. You're being ridiculous for being overly optimistic.

Third, I'll tell you all the things you said wrong:

- I love Nielsen, but he's not a 2nd line center that most teams want. He's very good defensively, and we all know he can chip in offensively. However, he has a hard time jump starting an offense. You would know this if you watched him play, but you seem to go by the stat sheet and nice highlights on YouTube. A guy like Grabovski, Vermette, Stephen Weiss, etc. can jump start an offense. If Nielsen was put on the 3rd line, and a guy like Strome played like a Vermette/Grabovski/etc, then we have a solid situation going into this year. Right now, Nielsen cannot make Okposo/Bailey/Grabner better. He'll be adequate, but not good enough to make them 20+ goal scorers.

- Bailey, even on wing, is not good. I have no faith in him being a good player this year or really ever if he's still on Long Island. If he gets traded to say Phoenix, he'll fit well there and be a good player, but not on Long Island. I would love for him to prove me wrong (I have his jersey), but even last year when he had his nice streak I wasn't impressed. He's a natural center, and was groomed throughout his time on Long Island to be a center. Great, he scores more on wing. Two years ago when he went on his scoring streak at wing, he should have had enough confidence to become a center and score from there. He didn't, which makes me believe that he won't have the confidence going into this season to score a lot.

- I don't think Okposo sucks, I just think he needs to be physical to be successful, which he hasn't really been. Now that he had the summer to rest, I think he'll have a good year. Especially if he plays with Tavares. Nobody here really thinks he sucks, we just expect a lot more out of him since his very good rookie year. He's not going to be a 30 goal scorer anymore, he'll be a 25 goal scorer and I think we're all disappointed but still happy that he's going to be a regular top-6 forward.

- I do see the Flyers being somewhat disappointing this year, since their defense is really bad (better than ours, but still really bad), but we're not fighting for 3rd in the division. The Devils always find a way to win games and make it to the playoffs. Let's see how they do without Parise, but Henrique is an animal and will replace him IMO. Even though the Islanders always have a chance at beating them, the Islanders record is going to be lower throughout the 48 games.

- There are going to be 2 rookies and 2 very young an inexperienced NHLers in the forward group. Ullstrom, Cizikas, Hickey, and maybe Strome are young, they don't know what it's like to win. They aren't like Duchene, O'Rielly, and Stewart who helped the Avalanche make the playoffs in 2010. They're not nearly as talented or surrounded by a strong veteran presence. That goes a long way and this team simply doesn't have it.

Like someone said before, a lot of things have to go our way for this team to make the playoffs. There is little to no room for error:

- Bailey, Grabner, Okposo, and Nielsen have to have career years
- Boyes has to score at a 25 goal pace
- Nabokov has to be as good as he was last year
- The defense has to play above expectations, especially without Visnovsky
- Martinek needs to stay healthy for at least 40 games (and that's being generous)
- Strome (who I think is the key to the season) has to be good enough to be a 2nd line center right now. If he's good, then Nielsen goes to the 3rd line, and players fall more "into their place".

That's a lot. Let's hope it works out, because I think some of these things could happen. All of it to happen would almost be a miracle.
 
I have nothing against reasoner personally, but I honestly cannot wait for the day I never have to see him in Isles jersey again. He was irrelevant last year.
 
Expectations are obviously tapered. Unless Strome comes in and absolutely dominates, making our second line deadly, we still haven't reached that point where all the touted prospects are out of the cabinet and onto the ice.

Everything depends how we start out. I still believe Nabokov is a guy who can steal us a bunch of games we'd otherwise lose, and as long as we can avoid a losing streak the playoffs aren't out of the question. If Nabby isn't in tip-top shape, or gets injured, my expectations for this team fall drastically.

All the nonsense surrounding the lockout has made us forget just how good Nabby was at the end of last season.
 
There's an easy place to start with this: last in our division. Ask yourself if you can sincerely believe that they will not finish last in the Atlantic. A good way to test yourself, is ask if you are willing to put money on it. If you are, then private message me.

So 5th in the Atlantic means at BEST 7th place in the conference. Highly unlikely as I believe we have just as many holes as last year. Defense is pretty much the same. Goalies are the same. And we basically replaced PAP with Boyes. Besides the general consensus that JT will continue to get better, the improvement of every other youngster is completely up in the air (KO, JB, MG, RS, NN, DU, CC, etc.). That's not good enough to get us out of the range that we were in last year: 12th - 15th. Book it.
 
With that defence, our position is adding Seth Jones...godwilling. The D is mediocre, and with no guarantee on Visnovsky (who I think won't report) there'll be a gaping hole that no one on the blueline can fill.

My hope is that Boyes returns to his STL form and not how he played in BUF. If we get STL Boyes, there might be a chance. If we get BUF Boyes, we might as well start the MacKinnon v. Jones threads now...

Must admit though, I really admire your optimism. I'd love to believe that we have a better D than we do, but if Martinek is the way to bolster it, unfortunately it's more of the same. One can only have so many reclamation projects.
 
Expectations are obviously tapered. Unless Strome comes in and absolutely dominates, making our second line deadly, we still haven't reached that point where all the touted prospects are out of the cabinet and onto the ice.

Everything depends how we start out. I still believe Nabokov is a guy who can steal us a bunch of games we'd otherwise lose, and as long as we can avoid a losing streak the playoffs aren't out of the question. If Nabby isn't in tip-top shape, or gets injured, my expectations for this team fall drastically.

All the nonsense surrounding the lockout has made us forget just how good Nabby was at the end of last season.


This.

The only way that I can see the Isles being a playoff team is if:
1) Strome not only makes the team, but produces on the 2nd line.
2) One of Grabner/Bailey/Boyes steps up
3) Visnovsky shows up
4) Nabokov is among the top-12 goalies in the league

If any of those don't happen, Isles miss the playoffs. If none of them happen, Isles could be last in the NHL.
 
I honestly have no idea, this team has a lot of if's. They could surprise and sneak into the playoffs, and be a 7 or 8 seed or they can flat out suck and be around 13-15. My prediction: if Strome is getting top 6 minutes and plays well, and Visnovsky is on the team they will make the playoffs.
 
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12th.
11th if we are lucky.

The big question (as always) is Cappy.

Does he have what it takes to be an NHL coach?
 
13th - 15th, whether you add Redden, Gomez, Visnovsky, or anyone else that's already in the system.

If the stars align, the Isles can make the playoffs, if ALL this happens:
- Nabby is spectacular
- They have no injuries to JT, Streit, Nabby
- Okposo and Bailey have career years
- Grabner plays like early 2011
- Boyes scores 35+ goals

JT will probably be a 55-60 pt player over the 48 games but that won't get them out of the cellar on its own. They need balance from the other lines, health and lots of luck.

35+ goals in 48 games? That would be quite the achievement!
 
First time to post.:yo: Well i have been following this forum for a while and have been an Islanders fan well since the cup years as i was a kid when they won those cups. With that said i don't expect much from this team. They would probably finish 10-12 if everyone was here and healthy but that is not the case. With that said i see them finishing between 14-16 and if thats the case i hope for the worse. I don't have any expectations until this team gets to Brooklyn. When they do get there they better spend some money then i will spend some of mine.:nod:
 

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