Where would gilbert brule be ranked in all time busts

[Chandrashekhar Limit]

Its pretty fun to dig these names out. Amazing to look back at what players were skipped to pick these gus. Its almost unbelieveable to think that Luc Robitaille got drafter in the 9th round.

 

[Chandrashekhar Limit]

brule has not accomplished as much as these guys yet.

nor anybody on this list:



ken klee? in what universe is a 9th round pick who ended up playing 900 games in the NHL a bust?

Lol, that was a brain fart from my part. For some crazy reason i thought i heard somewhere this guy went 4th overall. Fixed. I would also like to add Greg Joly to that list. IMO one of the top 10 busts of all time.

 

[RobertKron]

I don't mean to be the know it all of the place, but was he that good in the first place? I know he has a nice skill set but his production in Vancouver seems to have come up mostly on the power play, and if there's something volatile in hockey IMO is offensive production when it comes mostly from PP, 90 points and +4 makes you wonder. With that said his career isn't over by any means, but sometimes it's not that he's a bust, it's just that people have great expectations of something that isn't there. Somtimes we call players busts to justify wrong evaluations IMO.

In his 04-05 season, 13 of his 39 goals were on the PP, with 4 SHGs and 22 ES goals. That is not "mostly" on the PP. The previous season he scored 14 ES, 11 PP, and in his post-draft year when he went back to the WHL after his injury, he had 7 PPG and 16 at even strength with 12 ES goals and 4 PPG in 18 playoff games.

Brule was a monster in the WHL, and that might be part of why he has had trouble in the NHL. In the WHL he was a pretty intimidating physical player, but he doesn't have the frame to bull through guys in the NHL. He probably would have been much better served to spend a couple years in the AHL, learn the pro game and how to play against men, and then move up to the NHL, rather than just being thrown into the NHL, and when he didn't put up big numbers, being stuck on the 4th line rather than the AHL.

In the WHL, Brule was a top end offensive player who would also do stuff like this:

I think he injured at least 2 or 3 players in that playoff run with big hits.

 

[Valic]

I think Brule will surprise alot this year. Heres to hoping.

 

[NoLocus*]

Thread is somewhat premature.

 

[Mathletic]

In his 04-05 season, 13 of his 39 goals were on the PP, with 4 SHGs and 22 ES goals. That is not "mostly" on the PP. The previous season he scored 14 ES, 11 PP, and in his post-draft year when he went back to the WHL after his injury, he had 7 PPG and 16 at even strength with 12 ES goals and 4 PPG in 18 playoff games.

Brule was a monster in the WHL, and that might be part of why he has had trouble in the NHL. In the WHL he was a pretty intimidating physical player, but he doesn't have the frame to bull through guys in the NHL. He probably would have been much better served to spend a couple years in the AHL, learn the pro game and how to play against men, and then move up to the NHL, rather than just being thrown into the NHL, and when he didn't put up big numbers, being stuck on the 4th line rather than the AHL.

ok I take the PP part out since it's not the point

how do you explain the high scoring and low +/-? People say he's a good defender, I don't think his team was that weak that year in Vancouver, a .500 team should get you a better +/-. I don't know how Shawrtz played that year but a .900 % wasn't that bad.

 

[Thrice]

How does Brayden Schenn's game compare to Gilbert Brule's?

 

[RobertKron]

ok I take the PP part out since it's not the point

how do you explain the high scoring and low +/-? People say he's a good defender, I don't think his team was that weak that year in Vancouver, a .500 team should get you a better +/-. I don't know how Shawrtz played that year but a .900 % wasn't that bad.

The Giants, in 04-05 season, only scored 7 more goals than they gave up, with 212 GF and 205 GA. For reference, the next season they scored 252 and allowed 156.

 

[Mathletic]

on hockeydb it says 200 GA, so +12 which isn't too bad

for instance Setoguchi got a +20 on a team with a +24 score ... anyway, it's still a dissapointment not to see Brule in the league

 

[GorillazXL]

Play of Ryan this year accentuates how big of bust Brule has been to date.

For a player who drew comparisons to Crosby as a Junior, Brule has undergone a huge slide.

At least Oilers can retain him without much cost.

Its been quite a slide for Brule. That year and the year after you could have sworn he was going to be a super star in this league. He is tougher then Crosby, has almost the same skill sets but yet the one thing that separates them is the mind set and professionalism. Crosby just seems to get it, where as Brule is still trying to figure it out.

With Brule there might be a sense of entitlement and I don't think that went over well with the club, its tough to say. Its fustrating because you can still see the Memorial Cup MVP but its not translating to NHL success.

GXL

 

[RandallRitchey]

I still wouldn't label Brule a bust. I think with Quinn coming into Edmonton next year; he's known as being a good coach for the young guys. I think Brule could have a break out year next year. Same with Schremp. I wouldn't be surprised to see them both make team out of camp next year.

If either or both fail to see more than 25 games next year, I think the label BUST could be stamped.

 

[solo16]

I still wouldn't label Brule a bust. I think with Quinn coming into Edmonton next year; he's known as being a good coach for the young guys. I think Brule could have a break out year next year. Same with Schremp. I wouldn't be surprised to see them both make team out of camp next year.

If either or both fail to see more than 25 games next year, I think the label BUST could be stamped.

I thought he was known as the opposite? Coach a few World cups while out of a coaching job and suddenly you become a youth coach?

 

[Synergy27]

The Blue Jackets clearly should have drafted Steve Brule instead:

 

[Big Daddy]

MW, good post. Brule was dominant in the WHL and for a small guy he was built like a fire plug. His physical domination and scoring touch elevated his draft status perhaps to the point of setting him up to fail with the expectations that come along with going that high.

He put CBus into a position of playing him as he owned the WHL but was to young to play in the AHL. The AHL was the perfect place for him. He was just unlucky to have been injured twice as a 19 year old and he hasn't recovered since. Hopefully his injuries aren't limiting his play and he can regain his confidence. He is still very young and maybe people need to separate an inflated 6th overall from still being a good NHL player.

 

[nyislanders92]

He clearly has Jeff Tambellini syndrome. He has great skills that he just can't seem to put it together, but I still don't think that he is a bust yet, he is only 22.

 

[MajorBoost]

not trying to hijack the thread, but is he more likely to be a bust than Benoit Pouliot... Pouliot got all the tools, but can't seem to be willing to work hard. He was drafted 2 rank earlier, and was playing with a defensive minded team... Maybe new management ( Same with the oilers ) are gonna help him out.

 

[kidAcbj]

when are people going to stop blaming Columbus? hes just not that good.

 

[Neil Patrick Harris]

when are people going to stop blaming Columbus? hes just not that good.

He was good, and he could still be good. He was compared to Crosby at the draft. He failed in Columbus because McLean thought he could jump right into the NHL, and when it became clear that he couldn't he kept him up anyway.

Hopefully he can rebound and do well in Edmonton, he's still young and could bounce back.

 

[Hello Johnny]

when are people going to stop blaming Columbus? hes just not that good.

Read my earlier post. I know he wasn't the best player, but Maclean making him out to be some savior is what killed him. If he had been handled better he would be in better position right now. He still wouldn't be as good as people were hoping, but he would be better IMO.

 

[Ishdul]

Weren't they saying he was a 'challenger' to Crosby?

They were just saying that to be argumentative, like when they said that 13 out of 30 GMs would pick Kessel over Crosby or when there was discussion of Darko/Carmelo over LeBron in the 2003 NBA draft.

 

[Tavaresmagicalplay*]

Gilbert Brule was in a lot of people's mind going to be a absolute force in the NHL when he was drafted, and CBJ thought the same when they rushed him to the NHL.

Of course as you all know the story, Gilbert Brule had a terrible year and has gone south since then, even being traded to the Oilers.

So where would Gilbert Brule rank in the "going to be superstar" but Failed drastically bust's.

*PS* - yes I know he is still young and can still break out, but as for right now, there are no signs he will.

Where would you rank Manny Malhotra or Mike Ricci in the all time busts category. I have a hard time calling a 4th overall pick whose game will probably translate very well into the nhl as a 3rd or 2nd liner an all time bust.

 

[kmillzy5]

Below Alexandre Picard.

jeeez the guy probably has his own private hospital room by now.

 

[BrentZ10]

I thought he was known as the opposite? Coach a few World cups while out of a coaching job and suddenly you become a youth coach?

Yeah, with the Leafs he had the reputation as the guy who never gave the kids any ice time and insisted on playing Domi and other older players unworthy of the ice time.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Thread is somewhat premature.

I'd be saying the same thing if it weren't for a guy on another board asking if Stamkos was a bust after 14 games lol.

I was a big Brule fan when they played in the memorial cup, the broken leg early on seems to have hampered him, hears hoping he can come back.

 

[RobertKron]

when are people going to stop blaming Columbus? hes just not that good.

Regardless of part of the problem being that Brule has had trouble adapting to the pro ranks, playing your AHL eligible, top 10 draft pick, former junior scoring star in a grinding role when he is clearly needing time to settle in as a pro is ridiculous. If he was just not very good, he wouldn't have been in the NHL at 18 or 19, and he would have been in the AHL instead of the NHL at 20. He was good enough to be on the Blue Jackets, but having him there was extremely short-sighted.