Where will Leon Draisaitl rank all-time by the end of his career?

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  • Top 10

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  • Top 25

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  • Top 50

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Fourier

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In the last three playoffs, McDavid has been Draisaitl's most common linemate at ES and a negative player at ES when on his own line. Hard not to think that Draisaitl cannot carry a line offensively quite as well and Mac and Kucherov.

BTW, Kucherov outscored his teammates by 54 points last year. That seems like he is able to produce regardless of linemates/ the contribution of linemates

We'll see how this year pans out. As far as McDavid and Draisaitl are concerned, they have nothing to accomplish in the regular season, it's all about the playoffs. They should not care about regular season trophies.



I didn't say he wasn't. What I am saying is I give the edge to Mac and Kucherov, both of whom are pushing into the Top 50ish all-time.

He is not comparable to peak Malkin, a common comparison.
In 2023 he played with McDavid in the playoffs primarily for two reasons. The first was because he had a significant high ankle sprain which made it hard to play defense as a center. The second reason is that they are so dynamic together that the team as a whole is often more dangerous with the combo together. They can do this when needed because Nugent-Hopkins can mind the fort to allow them this luxury. Together over the last three playoff the team has a 69.09% GF% with the two on the ice. They score at a rate of 6.1 5 vs 5 goals per 60.

Last year Draisaitl also played the second half of the playoff with broken ribs and a significant hand injury. In the first two rounds, before the injuries, he was absolutely dominant. Despite the injuries he ended up with 49 points in 37 games including 25 goals over the last two years. His last year he was health in the playoffs was 2022. He had 32 points in 16 games. Malkin never came close to that level of production. Malkin's top year was 1.5 pts/gm and matching Draisaitl's second best season. Draisaitl has 5 years above 1.2 pts/gm in the playoffs and Malkin has 2.

You can dismiss it all you want as being a product of McDavid. The people who watched every one of those games know differently. I've seen every playoff game Draisaitl played. I was also a season ticket holder throughout the 80's. I have no hesitation to say that Draisaitl's playoff performance rank with the best in Oiler history and would only put them behind Gretzky and peak McDavid.

You also talk about Crosby and Malkin being successful apart, but one of the reasons this was necessary was that Malkin never successfully adjusted his game to fit with Crosby. Draisaitl has the ability to play a completely different style when with McDavid than he does when he is alone. In doing so he raises McDavid's game as much as McDavid raises his, as any serious Oiler fan can attest.

In the end none of this will sway you. I am perfectly aware of this. But you're still wrong about the player regardless of your willingness to accept it so there is that.
 

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In 2023 he played with McDavid in the playoffs primarily for two reasons. The first was because he had a significant high ankle sprain which made it hard to play defense as a center. The second reason is that they are so dynamic together that the team as a whole is often more dangerous with the combo together. They can do this when needed because Nugent-Hopkins can mind the fort to allow them this luxury. Together over the last three playoff the team has a 69.09% GF% with the two on the ice. They score at a rate of 6.1 5 vs 5 goals per 60.

As evidenced by what? They tried to out-offence other teams in 2022 and won 8 games after bowing out early trying the same thing in 2020 and 2021. They separated them more in 2024 and they won 15 games but after the 2nd round, it was mainly McDavid.

This seems like you want your cake and eat it too.

They are awesome together!

Sure, so why do they try to separate them then if it's better for the team to keep them together?

You also talk about Crosby and Malkin being successful apart, but one of the reasons this was necessary was that Malkin never successfully adjusted his game to fit with Crosby. Draisaitl has the ability to play a completely different style when with McDavid than he does when he is alone. In doing so he raises McDavid's game as much as McDavid raises his, as any serious Oiler fan can attest.

And Malkin had the ability to produce regardless of the quality of his linemates so the Pens could roll an elite Top 6 vs. one super line which was a major factor to them winning in 2008 and 2009.
 

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Last year Draisaitl also played the second half of the playoff with broken ribs and a significant hand injury. In the first two rounds, before the injuries, he was absolutely dominant. Despite the injuries he ended up with 49 points in 37 games including 25 goals over the last two years. His last year he was health in the playoffs was 2022. He had 32 points in 16 games. Malkin never came close to that level of production. Malkin's top year was 1.5 pts/gm and matching Draisaitl's second best season. Draisaitl has 5 years above 1.2 pts/gm in the playoffs and Malkin has 2.

Noone is going to rate Draisaitl in 2022 over Malkin in 2009.

And noone is going to rate any of Draisaitl's regular seasons over Malkin's 2012.
 
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Here's the issue.
He's in McDavid's shadow. He never took off until McDavid was in the picture and that'll always be a hindrance to him. That and his play away from McDavid has always been very average at best (minus this season and the year Yamamoto shot like 18% over a full season).

When it's all said and done, top 50? The issue is that if he finishes his career without a single cup unless you are the poster boy of the NHL, it's hard to get ranked ultra high on these lists.
 
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You also talk about Crosby and Malkin being successful apart, but one of the reasons this was necessary was that Malkin never successfully adjusted his game to fit with Crosby. Draisaitl has the ability to play a completely different style when with McDavid than he does when he is alone. In doing so he raises McDavid's game as much as McDavid raises his, as any serious Oiler fan can attest.

Having two franchise C's play on separate lines is the norm in NHL history, not the exception, regardless of how well they could play together. Look at how many great teams had two superstar C's carrying their own lines.

Regarding Draisaitl raising McDavid's game, McDavid put up 42 points last year with Draisaitl in on 16 of those points vs. being on 22 of 33 in 2022. The Oilers had more success with them being separated more and McDavid did not lose a step offensively.

McDavid produces regardless, like Wayne. Mario, Crosby and Jagr did. And peak Malkin.
 

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Here's the issue.
He's in McDavid's shadow. He never took off until McDavid was in the picture and that'll always be a hindrance to him. That and his play away from McDavid has always been very average at best (minus this season and the year Yamamoto shot like 18% over a full season).

When it's all said and done, top 50? The issue is that if he finishes his career without a single cup unless you are the poster boy of the NHL, it's hard to get ranked ultra high on these lists.
What a terrible argument

Is Makar in Mackinnon's shadow, or vice versa? Just curious. How about Rantanen?

Shame on Drai for not nominating the league at 20 yrs old.

People are weirdly obsessed with going after Drai for playing on the same team as the best player in the world, but not other players around the league that also play with an elite player/players.
 
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Here's the issue.
He's in McDavid's shadow. He never took off until McDavid was in the picture and that'll always be a hindrance to him. That and his play away from McDavid has always been very average at best (minus this season and the year Yamamoto shot like 18% over a full season).

When it's all said and done, top 50? The issue is that if he finishes his career without a single cup unless you are the poster boy of the NHL, it's hard to get ranked ultra high on these lists.
He was a 2014 draft choice and McDavid was a 2015 pick. I am assuming that you this is not something you took into account in the bolded statement. He also had 19 goals and 51 points in his D+2 year playing all of 4 minutes 5 vs 5 with McDavid.

You are correct that as far as many are concerned he plays in McDavid's shadow and that this will influence how most see him. But this is not the case for pretty much everyone who watches the team day in an day out.
 

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Is Makar in Mackinnon's shadow, or vice versa? Just curious. How about Rantanen?

People are weirdly obsessed with going after Drai for playing on the same team as the best player in the world, but not other players around the league that also play with an elite player/players.

Is Rantanen being promoted as a Top 50 player all-time or ever in the discussion for Top 5/10 player in the league? No, because he is usually a clear step below MacKinnon every year.

Draisaitl clearly has benefitted from playing a ton of time with arguably the 5th best offensive player in NHL history while clearly not showing he can consistently produce at an elite level away from McDavid, most notably in the playoffs.
 
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Here's the issue.
He's in McDavid's shadow. He never took off until McDavid was in the picture and that'll always be a hindrance to him. That and his play away from McDavid has always been very average at best (minus this season and the year Yamamoto shot like 18% over a full season).

When it's all said and done, top 50? The issue is that if he finishes his career without a single cup unless you are the poster boy of the NHL, it's hard to get ranked ultra high on these lists.
The idiocy of the average HFboards poster on full display.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

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Is Rantanen being promoted as a Top 50 player all-time or ever in the discussion for Top 5/10 player in the league? No, because he is usually a clear step below MacKinnon every year.

Draisaitl clearly has benefitted from playing a ton of time with arguably the 5th best offensive player in NHL history while clearly not showing he can consistently produce at an elite level away from McDavid, most notably in the playoffs.
No, because he's not even close to the same caliber of player Drai is. Do you disagree?

Why did you conviently leave out Makar?

Obviously Draisaitl benefits from playing with McDavid, just like McDavid benefits from playing with Draisaitl.

Gretzky also benefitted playing with Kurri, Messier, Coffey, etc.
 

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Obviously Draisaitl benefits from playing with McDavid, just like McDavid benefits from playing with Draisaitl.

Gretzky also benefitted playing with Kurri, Messier, Coffey, etc.

McDavid is as dominant with or without Draisaitl the same way that Wayne was as dominant with or without Kurri or Mario was with or without Jagr.

I don't think many people think McDavid would not be as good on any other team; you cannot say the same about DraisaItl.

I have him on the same tier as MacKinnon and Kucherov BTW.
 
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Here's the issue.
He's in McDavid's shadow. He never took off until McDavid was in the picture and that'll always be a hindrance to him. That and his play away from McDavid has always been very average at best (minus this season and the year Yamamoto shot like 18% over a full season).

When it's all said and done, top 50? The issue is that if he finishes his career without a single cup unless you are the poster boy of the NHL, it's hard to get ranked ultra high on these lists.
He was drafted one year before McDavid buddy, he took off centering Hall in 16. Then was the Oilers best player in the 2017 playoffs centering his own line and hasn't looked back. Every single Oilers fan who watches knows, those who don't watch like to pretend. He is playing the best hockey of his career right now and is as elite as it gets.
 

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McDavid is as dominant with or without Draisaitl the same way that Wayne was as dominant with or without Kurri or Mario was with or without Jagr.

I don't think many people think McDavid would not be as good on any other team; you cannot say the same about DraisaItl.

I have him on the same tier as MacKinnon and Kucherov BTW.
Huh?

As do the majority of Oil fans, no?

Well, I actually prefer Mack to Draisaitl tbh.
 

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130 years of hockey is a long time.

He put up one healthy season between 25 and 36. It has a big impact on where he lands.

And tbf, I do have him at 51.

His resume by age 25 was pretty impressive; better than a lot, maybe most, of the forwards in the Top 50 but like Forsberg, injury-proneness is woven into his legacy.
 
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Drai has a chance to finish in the top 25.
Only haters like to down play his game.
He is probably the second best passer of all time. He's the German Gretzky.
He's arguably not even the best passer among active players, he's only led the league in assists once.

2nd best passer of all time is a ludicrous statement when Lemieux exists. His hockey IQ was only surpassed by Gretzky. That's not even getting into lesser players like Thornton, Crosby, Oates, etc..
 

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130 years is a lot of hockey.
Posting this a second time won’t make your take any less brutal.

The last HoH list had him at 52. He has since been surpassed by McDavid. But hasn't put up an elite healthy season since.
That list is seven years old, and Malkin was rated too low at that time already.

Since that HF list, Malkin notched:

-four seasons above a point per game
-one season top 10 Hart voting (T-5th in PPG)
-added to IIHF’s all-time Team Russia
-1,000 points mark (1,325 now)
-500 goals mark

To give you an example, the NHL99 List has Malkin ahead of Bryan Trottier now, who rated at #31 all-time on the same HF list back in 2018.
 
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