Where is Rantanen? Who is Rantanen? Why is Rantanen? What is Rantanen?

[Ignatius]

If Edmonton and Dallas play in the conference final it's going to be like an old school matchup of Sid and Geno versus Ovechkin with McDrai vs. Ranto

 

[Grigowski]

You know Rantanen went to the management and said he’ll accept below market value and moments later Avs traded him, that’s on the Avs

Tell me what "below" market value means to Rantanen and in general. Pastrnak is getting paid 11.2..... Thats a steal for Boston.

If I had to guess, I would say it was 12.6 or 12.5
The AVS were at 11.6 and never would have gone up to that number or thought Rantanen is worth MacKinnon money.

So figure out the rest...

Its just 2 parties to stubborn to come to an agreement.

And they didnt trade him a few moments later.
Rantanen and his agent got the offer 11.6 as final offer and he got the news a trade can happen if they dont take it. The agent countered again in the range of 12.5 or 13 million and thought negotiations will still move on and that the AVS are just bluffing and wont trade his client. Then Rantanen intervened when he realized it could fail and a trade was pending. Too little, too late.

Listen to the AVS presse when Sakic said "Mikkos agent knows the number they were at".

Look, I dont defend Sakic and MacFarland at all costs.
I didnt like the trade either, but i understood to a certain point the "why".

They are getting enough heat right now and look like idiots. Justified.

They just could have up their offer or add a clause to prevent a trade back west/central...

Maybe they dont wanted to play this game for 2nd time or just had enough and came to the conclusion that a winger isnt worth "Draisaitl money" or even "MacKinnon money", And Rantanen and his agent went in with that number and especially his agent never really came down up to the point when Rantanen himself intervened. Perhaps he should have spoken to his advisor more often and in more detail.

He and his agent then got kinda lucky that Tulsky had to clean up his own mess and found a dancing partner with Dallas, where he signed for 12 mill/year, No tax state. Means approx 12.5 in Denver.

And that was his "i am flexible" and "below market" - The MacKinnon contract.

And for the records: I don't blame him at all.

But to make Sakic and MacFarland the big baddies, and Mikko and his agent the poor victims is absurd.

This is a business after all.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Big statement time:

Has any player in NHL history - ever - had a better 4 game streak in the NHL playoffs? The numbers he's posting are staggering. Have any of Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux - or anyone else, ever done something that compares?

To answer the question though this comes to mind

 

[KapG]

Also his stats were boosted because he played against Makar and MacKinnon and Lehkonen. Let's see what he's going to do now.

Starts it off with the natural hatty

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Tell me what "below" market value means to Rantanen and in general. Pastrnak is getting paid 11.2..... Thats a steal for Boston.

If I had to guess, I would say it was 12.6 or 12.5
The AVS were at 11.6 and never would have gone up to that number or thought Rantanen is worth MacKinnon money.

So figure out the rest...

Its just 2 parties to stubborn to come to an agreement.

And they didnt trade him a few moments later.
Rantanen and his agent got the offer 11.6 as final offer and he got the news a trade can happen if they dont take it. The agent countered again in the range of 12.5 or 13 million and thought negotiations will still move on and that the AVS are just bluffing and wont trade his client. Then Rantanen intervened when he realized it could fail and a trade was pending. Too little, too late.

Listen to the AVS presse when Sakic said "Mikkos agent knows the number they were at".

Look, I dont defend Sakic and MacFarland at all costs.
I didnt like the trade either, but i understood to a certain point the "why".

They are getting enough heat right now and look like idiots. Justified.

They just could have up their offer or add a clause to prevent a trade back west/central...

Maybe they dont wanted to play this game for 2nd time or just had enough and came to the conclusion that a winger isnt worth "Draisaitl money" or even "MacKinnon money", And Rantanen and his agent went in with that number and especially his agent never really came down up to the point when Rantanen himself intervened. Perhaps he should have spoken to his advisor more often and in more detail.

He and his agent then got kinda lucky that Tulsky had to clean up his own mess and found a dancing partner with Dallas, where he signed for 12 mill/year, No tax state. Means approx 12.5 in Denver.

And that was his "i am flexible" and "below market" - The MacKinnon contract.

And for the records: I don't blame him at all.

But to make Sakic and MacFarland the big baddies, and Mikko and his agent the poor victims is absurd.

This is a business after all.

I'm not sure the 'can't trade to xyz team / conference /division' is allowed anymore but I doubt the Canes would have agreed to it.

Avs didn't give them permission to negotiate with Mikko and his agent leading up to the trade. Fair enough. Canes take the risk that they can get a deal done or if not then they have time and flexibility to make other moves. You're not also going to be able to hamstring them and say 'you can't talk to him and you also can't trade him to xyz location if it doesn't work out'. That would have given the Canes almost no ability to manoeuvre if the situation goes sideways which it did.

 

[HBAASM]

I think Bednar clearly has issues with spreading the load during the regular season. As an example when Lehkonen returned from a long injury this November he played 22.55, 25.11, 26.10, 24.30, 23.13, and 22.10 in his first six games. You see most teams ease players in after injury. Rantanen is a big boy and playing a ton most nights could make him look lazy or unable to drive play just due to his body being too tired.

 

[Master P]

Man, what an embarrassment for Colorado's front office. And it somehow keeps getting worse.

 

[Fatass]

Tell me what "below" market value means to Rantanen and in general. Pastrnak is getting paid 11.2..... Thats a steal for Boston.

If I had to guess, I would say it was 12.6 or 12.5
The AVS were at 11.6 and never would have gone up to that number or thought Rantanen is worth MacKinnon money.

So figure out the rest...

Its just 2 parties to stubborn to come to an agreement.

And they didnt trade him a few moments later.
Rantanen and his agent got the offer 11.6 as final offer and he got the news a trade can happen if they dont take it. The agent countered again in the range of 12.5 or 13 million and thought negotiations will still move on and that the AVS are just bluffing and wont trade his client. Then Rantanen intervened when he realized it could fail and a trade was pending. Too little, too late.

Listen to the AVS presse when Sakic said "Mikkos agent knows the number they were at".

Look, I dont defend Sakic and MacFarland at all costs.
I didnt like the trade either, but i understood to a certain point the "why".

They are getting enough heat right now and look like idiots. Justified.

They just could have up their offer or add a clause to prevent a trade back west/central...

Maybe they dont wanted to play this game for 2nd time or just had enough and came to the conclusion that a winger isnt worth "Draisaitl money" or even "MacKinnon money", And Rantanen and his agent went in with that number and especially his agent never really came down up to the point when Rantanen himself intervened. Perhaps he should have spoken to his advisor more often and in more detail.

He and his agent then got kinda lucky that Tulsky had to clean up his own mess and found a dancing partner with Dallas, where he signed for 12 mill/year, No tax state. Means approx 12.5 in Denver.

And that was his "i am flexible" and "below market" - The MacKinnon contract.

And for the records: I don't blame him at all.

But to make Sakic and MacFarland the big baddies, and Mikko and his agent the poor victims is absurd.

This is a business after all.

MacFarland and Sakic (who of course had to approve trading away a key player) should both lose their jobs over their handling of Rantanen.

 

[Grigowski]

I'm not sure the 'can't trade to xyz team / conference /division' is allowed anymore but I doubt the Canes would have agreed to it.

Avs didn't give them permission to negotiate with Mikko and his agent leading up to the trade. Fair enough. Canes take the risk that they can get a deal done or if not then they have time and flexibility to make other moves. You're not also going to be able to hamstring them and say 'you can't talk to him and you also can't trade him to xyz location if it doesn't work out'. That would have given the Canes almost no ability to manoeuvre if the situation goes sideways which it did.

Thats why Sakic and his GM get plenty of heat.

I mean, the real winner here is Jim Nill, if you ask me. Masterclass move.

 

[Voodoo Child]

He christens the cat.
Poppin' bottles, pullin' gats,
Back to back Hatties, never even seen that.
750k, don't pay, don't play, Rants won't stay. Carolina tried, their game ain't swanky - they go out and they flip a man for Stanky.
Lone Star, rollin' through the bar.
The Avs had a shot (but where was Makar?).
Nasty Nate at home, rustled Jimmies, he and Sid hookin' up for Timmies.
I don't keep it real says Papa Lekh? Sorry bitch, I gotta cash a check.

Now that that hot fire is out of my system, are we looking at a 15+ goal postseason run from him? Best this century is last year when Zach Hyman - yes, got 16. Ovie and Crosby both got 15, Point has got 14 twice.

 

[Grigowski]

MacFarland and Sakic (who of course had to approve trading away a key player) should both lose their jobs over their handling of Rantanen.

Thats up to Josh Kroenke.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Thats why Sakic and his GM get plenty of heat.

I mean, the real winner here is Jim Nill, if you ask me. Masterclass move.

And although it took a very weird series of twists and turns, Canes are pretty happy to with what they ended up getting with the Necas situation. Stankoven + Hall (re-signed for 3 years now at a good rate) + 2 x 1sts + 3rd I think is how it all shook out. It's not what they wanted going into it but the team is better now and has more assets and cap space to work with while also getting good players back.

 

[Grigowski]

And although it took a very weird series of twists and turns, Canes are pretty happy to with what they ended up getting with the Necas situation. Stankoven + Hall (re-signed for 3 years now at a good rate) + 2 x 1sts + 3rd I think is how it all shook out. It's not what they wanted going into it but the team is better now and has more assets and cap space to work with while also getting good players back.

True.

 

[ToDavid]

I'm not sure the 'can't trade to xyz team / conference /division' is allowed anymore but I doubt the Canes would have agreed to it.

Avs didn't give them permission to negotiate with Mikko and his agent leading up to the trade. Fair enough. Canes take the risk that they can get a deal done or if not then they have time and flexibility to make other moves. You're not also going to be able to hamstring them and say 'you can't talk to him and you also can't trade him to xyz location if it doesn't work out'. That would have given the Canes almost no ability to manoeuvre if the situation goes sideways which it did.

This is right, the post-COVID agreement disallowed trade conditions based on re-signing the player or re-trading, waiving, or any type of player movement.

 

[behemolari]

Learned a new word today

I reveal secret for you, learning english was always my main point joining this forum

 

[behemolari]

Sebastian Aho just told the press that he is not playing "full force" at regular season and he played avg 2-3min less than Mikko.

thats my motto at work too, never do full force at regular time

 

[Jaska]

1 assist in 4 games and -4.

Of course the whole Dallas team doesn't score a lot, and their scoring leader is defenseman with 3 points in 4 games. Still, Rantanen is paid to be a leader, and he isn't to put it mildly.

To put it mildly, your comment didn't age well.

 

[NotCommitted]

"Everyone" knows these contracts always get done in the end. So using a disagreement on money at that stage of negotiations seems more like an excuse by the Avs management to make a trade than serious unresolvable issue.

Btw. looking at (regular season) stats for the past 3 seasons, not even Makar is playing >50% hockey (corsi, xGF, actual goals) 5v5 without either MacKinnon or Rantanen on the ice with him. Same for Rantanen with MacKinnon / Makar. Only one of the 3 who stays solidly above 50% without one of the other two is MacKinnon.

Does that mean neither Rantanen or Makar can't carry play enough without MacKinnon, or is it a coaching issue? That can happen when you have a player of MacKinnon's caliber, it can skew the culture where the game plan becomes "put MacKinnon on ice" and "get the puck to MacKinnon".

 

[bobholly39]

To answer the question though this comes to mind

Draisaitl has 17 points, but only 2 goals, through 5 games. (or, also 14 points if you look at best 4 games, like Rantanen). I'd definitely slot Rantanen ahead of Draisaitl for 4 games, if only just for goals, since Rantanen has 8 versus 2 for Drai. But then the craziness of game 7 drama just adds to it too. Drai with a 5th straight 3 point game is nice though, well see if Rantanen can keep this up somehow.

The only other example I thought of actually was Giguere. 2003 - round 3 versus Wild, 1 goal in 4 games. But - it's really hard to compare a goalie to a forward in this scenario, as its apples and oranges. Which 4 games is better - Giguere or Rantanen?

 

[Ignatius]

I think Bednar clearly has issues with spreading the load during the regular season. As an example when Lehkonen returned from a long injury this November he played 22.55, 25.11, 26.10, 24.30, 23.13, and 22.10 in his first six games. You see most teams ease players in after injury. Rantanen is a big boy and playing a ton most nights could make him look lazy or unable to drive play just due to his body being too tired.

I feel like early in the season Colorado was much like Edmonton is now in the playoffs and perhaps in the regular season as well, just ride the big guys and the team will go as they go. The difference being that Edmonton is a one-trick pony but it's the best trick in the business whereas Colorado offloaded Rantanen to build what looked like an all around better team on paper but it just didn't work out for them because the player they unloaded was ultimately the reason they lost in the playoffs.

Rantanen cannot be replaced in Colorado, period. I think they'll probably give it another year and see how things work out and look towards making big changes in summer 2026 if needs be

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I feel like early in the season Colorado was much like Edmonton is now in the playoffs and perhaps in the regular season as well, just ride the big guys and the team will go as they go. The difference being that Edmonton is a one-trick pony but it's the best trick in the business whereas Colorado offloaded Rantanen to build what looked like an all around better team on paper but it just didn't work out for them because the player they unloaded was ultimately the reason they lost in the playoffs.

Rantanen cannot be replaced in Colorado, period. I think they'll probably give it another year and see how things work out and look towards making big changes in summer 2026 if needs be

Edmonton is pretty clearly not a one trick pony anymore, they are a very balanced team

 

[Ignatius]

Edmonton is pretty clearly not a one trick pony anymore, they are a very balanced team

Agree to disagree, I'll have to see more from them before I'll agree with you. Right now they remind me more of the 2012 Penguins playoff team and aside from McDrai I don't think they're anywhere near the team they were last year.

 

[BB88]

Tell me what "below" market value means to Rantanen and in general. Pastrnak is getting paid 11.2..... Thats a steal for Boston.

If I had to guess, I would say it was 12.6 or 12.5
The AVS were at 11.6 and never would have gone up to that number or thought Rantanen is worth MacKinnon money.

So figure out the rest...

Its just 2 parties to stubborn to come to an agreement.

And they didnt trade him a few moments later.
Rantanen and his agent got the offer 11.6 as final offer and he got the news a trade can happen if they dont take it. The agent countered again in the range of 12.5 or 13 million and thought negotiations will still move on and that the AVS are just bluffing and wont trade his client. Then Rantanen intervened when he realized it could fail and a trade was pending. Too little, too late.

Listen to the AVS presse when Sakic said "Mikkos agent knows the number they were at".

Look, I dont defend Sakic and MacFarland at all costs.
I didnt like the trade either, but i understood to a certain point the "why".

They are getting enough heat right now and look like idiots. Justified.

They just could have up their offer or add a clause to prevent a trade back west/central...

Maybe they dont wanted to play this game for 2nd time or just had enough and came to the conclusion that a winger isnt worth "Draisaitl money" or even "MacKinnon money", And Rantanen and his agent went in with that number and especially his agent never really came down up to the point when Rantanen himself intervened. Perhaps he should have spoken to his advisor more often and in more detail.

He and his agent then got kinda lucky that Tulsky had to clean up his own mess and found a dancing partner with Dallas, where he signed for 12 mill/year, No tax state. Means approx 12.5 in Denver.

And that was his "i am flexible" and "below market" - The MacKinnon contract.

And for the records: I don't blame him at all.

But to make Sakic and MacFarland the big baddies, and Mikko and his agent the poor victims is absurd.

This is a business after all.

Pasta contract means nothing today, the cap is in a different spot

& below market we all know is/was 12.5M

Avs just refused to pay him and very likely could have ended their Cup window

 

[KrisLetAngry]

And although it took a very weird series of twists and turns, Canes are pretty happy to with what they ended up getting with the Necas situation. Stankoven + Hall (re-signed for 3 years now at a good rate) + 2 x 1sts + 3rd I think is how it all shook out. It's not what they wanted going into it but the team is better now and has more assets and cap space to work with while also getting good players back.

I think it's what they do with those assets now.

Slavvin and Aho get a year older not that they aren't in there prime. But it's another year wasted. Hopefully all the youth they have really help them the next few years.

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

New Rantanen's revenge arc theme just dropped: