Where is Rantanen? Who is Rantanen? Why is Rantanen? What is Rantanen?

[BB88]

That’s what ESPN reported the day of the trade…

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He signed 12M in Dallas which was 12.5M in Colorado. Friedman said he believed 12.5M is what Rants would have taken in Colorado, CJ said there was a .25M gap in offer and ask

Ramtanen and multiple insiders have said he walked to the office and said he’ll accept below market value to stay and few days later Avs traded him

All of them said Colorado never offered him sign this or we’ll trade you chance

 

[LOFIN]

I watched him in this series and lazy is not the word that I'd use to describe him. Not many avs fans aren't down on Mikko anymore

I feel sorry for the lot that still are in the denial phase of picrel.

What does his performance in these playoffs have to do with his play with the Avs in 2022-2025, could you answer that?

 

[LOFIN]

He signed 12M in Dallas which was 12.5M in Colorado. Friedman said he believed 12.5M is what Rants would have taken in Colorado, CJ said there was a .25M gap in offer and ask

Ramtanen and multiple insiders have said he walked to the office and said he’ll accept below market value to stay and few days later Avs traded him

Are you going to provide the source on that CJ report, because like I said, I have not seen or heard him say anything like that at any point. Asked it on the previous page already, and you still have not provided.

 

[BB88]

Are you going to provide the source on that CJ report, because like I said, I have not seen or heard him say anything like that at any point. Asked it on the previous page already, and you still have not provided.

I’ve missed that post

That was on his last podcast I listened to, the mondays episode I believe

All signs point to Rants taking 12.5M in Colorado yet they never got there

 

[Mr Nogatco]

I feel sorry for the lot that still are in the denial phase of picrel.

Learned a new word today

 

[LOFIN]

I’ve missed that post

That was on his last podcast I listened to, the mondays episode I believe

All signs point to Rants taking 12.5M in Colorado yet they never got there

All signs point that Rantanen would've taken the 11.6M that was Colorado's final offer, but they never got there. It was poor communication by both parties. Rantanen and his camp didn't take it seriously, when the Avs said that they would be exploring a trade if the deal won't get done. The Avs didn't take it seriously when Rantanen said he was willing to take a discount, and didn't convince him that the 11.6M is really the final offer and trade will go through if you don't take the deal now. Both sides are to blame here.

 

[jaa]

What does his performance in these playoffs have to do with his play with the Avs in 2022-2025, could you answer that?

That is a cope, that is my point. Like what is enough if 22min+, 100p+ and clutch plays in the playoffs is "being lazy"? Also there are tons of additional reasons and excuses to why some autistic stats might seem a bit worse than 2019-2022, was the team better, were there any minor injuries, was he expected to improve himself even more while adding icetime etc.

Just seems like huge cope to feel better after being shown wrong. Maybe avs managed him poorly, because he obviously was not lazy and he obviously drove 2 lines. That is a major f*** up by avs, even if he was "lazy" (outrageous definition of the word) before.

Like who the f would not sign a player like Rantanen? Obviously uncompetent people, thats who. It is more healthy to accept this and forgive.

 

[BB88]

All signs point that Rantanen would've taken the 11.6M that was Colorado's final offer, but they never got there. It was poor communication by both parties. Rantanen and his camp didn't take it seriously, when the Avs said that they would be exploring a trade if the deal won't get done. The Avs didn't take it seriously when Rantanen said he was willing to take a discount, and didn't convince him that the 11.6M is really the final offer and trade will go through if you don't take the deal now. Both sides are to blame here.

Superstars never get traded 6 weeks prior to trade deadline in this situation. Rantanen, Mackinnon and the entire team believed it will get done, there was no rush at that point from players side

Colorado should have given them the ultimatum, this is our last offer sign or we’ll trade you

But they were too scared of push back they’d gotten if the word got out

 

[LOFIN]

That is a cope, that is my point. Like what is enough if 22min+, 100p+ and clutch plays in the playoffs is "being lazy"? Also there are tons of additional reasons and excuses to why some autistic stats might seem a bit worse than 2019-2022, was the team better, were there any minor injuries, was he expected to improve himself even more while adding icetime etc.

Just seems like huge cope to feel better after being shown wrong. Maybe avs managed him poorly, because he obviously was not lazy and he obviously drove 2 lines. That is a major f*** up by avs, even if he was "lazy" (outrageous definition of the word) before.

Like who the f would not sign a player like Rantanen? Obviously uncompetent people, thats who. It is more healthy to accept this and forgive.

Like I said, there is very much a larger discussion to be had, if Rantanen really does return to his pre-2022 form in Dallas. It's way too early to tell, based on the last 3-4 games when his 8 year deal hasn't even kicked in yet. But if he does, it brings giant question marks for Jared Bednar's coaching, the evalution of the Avs FO on Bednar and especially Rantanen.

HOWEVER, like I said, based on how Rantanen actually played during the 2022-2025 stretch, it is not a cope. You can make your arguments for why Rantanen has not been able to drive play and been absolutely horrible outside of MacKinnon. I don't really care at this point, the fact of the matter is that this is how he played. He was a MacKinnon merchant, and to suggest otherwise is not only coping, it's denying the facts.

 

[LOFIN]

Superstars never get traded 6 weeks prior to trade deadline in this situation. Rantanen, Mackinnon and the entire team believed it will get done, there was no rush at that point from players side

Colorado should have given them the ultimatum, this is our last offer sign or we’ll trade you

But they were too scared of push back they’d gotten if the word got out

By all accounts they did, and the Rantanen camp didn't take it seriously. Like I said, this is on both sides. On Rantanen and his agent still thinking that this is a negotiating tactic and the Avs are not serious, and on the Avs for not being able to convince them that they were serious. The fact is, multiple reports were out there that the Avs did absolutely tell Rantanen that trade is on the table, if the deal won't get done.

 

[Soedy]

That is a cope, that is my point. Like what is enough if 22min+, 100p+ and clutch plays in the playoffs is "being lazy"? Also there are tons of additional reasons and excuses to why some autistic stats might seem a bit worse than 2019-2022, was the team better, were there any minor injuries, was he expected to improve himself even more while adding icetime etc.

Just seems like huge cope to feel better after being shown wrong. Maybe avs managed him poorly, because he obviously was not lazy and he obviously drove 2 lines. That is a major f*** up by avs, even if he was "lazy" (outrageous definition of the word) before.

Like who the f would not sign a player like Rantanen? Obviously uncompetent people, thats who. It is more healthy to accept this and forgive.

Well, I brought in the word "lazy". And by lazy I don't mean his TOI but how he played (winning puck battles, etc.). I also explicity wrote that he still put up points, which just shows how much talent he has. Despite his points total I don't think he was worth 13+ AAV.

To clarify: what he showed the last few games is worth the 12 AAV, maybe even more than 13 AAV. But he did not play like that the last 2 years. And in hindsight, Avs made a huge mistake with the trade and might just closed the window completely.

 

[ExarKun80]

Maybe it did. Maybe it didn't. I'm not going to predict the future 4-5 years down the line based on 3 previous games, even though it's the hot thing to do right now.

The last 3 games mean f*** all other than making fun of the AVS fans that tried to make it look like Rantanen was a product of Mack.
Rantanen is a proven playoff beast while Necas was always a ghost. It was Aho who did the heavy lifting for the Hurricanes and even if you did trade Rantanen for Aho it's still not enough.

 

[Vapaatunnus]

By all accounts they did, and the Rantanen camp didn't take it seriously. Like I said, this is on both sides. On Rantanen and his agent still thinking that this is a negotiating tactic and the Avs are not serious, and on the Avs for not being able to convince them that they were serious. The fact is, multiple reports were out there that the Avs did absolutely tell Rantanen that trade is on the table, if the deal won't get done.

I think stupidest move was to make that trade so early, if they had done it at TDL Mikko wouldn't been @Dallas

 

[heksagon]

Well, I brought in the word "lazy". And by lazy I don't mean his TOI but how he played (winning puck battles, etc.). I also explicity wrote that he still put up points, which just shows how much talent he has. Despite his points total I don't think he was worth 13+ AAV.

To clarify: what he showed the last few games is worth the 12 AAV, maybe even more than 13 AAV. But he did not play like that the last 2 years. And in hindsight, Avs made a huge mistake with the trade and might just closed the window completely.

Woah woah, maybe even more than 13 AAV? Let's not go crazy here, only a 164 goal and 287 point pace in the last 4 games. 12,5 AAV max IMO.

(I'm just taking the piss, that wording was just funny to me)

 

[Satan]

 

[Soedy]

Woah woah, maybe even more than 13 AAV? Let's not go crazy here, only a 164 goal and 287 point pace in the last 4 games. 12,5 AAV max IMO.

(I'm just taking the piss, that wording was just funny to me)

Yeah, badly worded by me, if he often can do that, he might be worth more than 13 AAV, taking into account a 287 point pace is not sustainable

 

[LOFIN]

The last 3 games mean f*** all other than making fun of the AVS fans that tried to make it look like Rantanen was a product of Mack.
Rantanen is a proven playoff beast while Necas was always a ghost. It was Aho who did the heavy lifting for the Hurricanes and even if you did trade Rantanen for Aho it's still not enough.

Avs fans don't need to try and make it look like that. You can very easily verify those claims by looking at his advanced stats from 2022-2025.

Let's make this thing clear, once and for all: Rantanen was a MacKinnon merchant, and not a play driving force in the last 3 seasons for the Avs. This is not a cope, this is not an opinion. It's a f***ing fact based on all the available metrics, and eye-test as well if you watched the games.

Now, if Rantanen returns to his pre-2022 form, we can look at Colorado and laugh and point fingers at them, because if Rantanen can continue this in Dallas then obviously the fault was in Colorado, and they made a giant mistake.

 

[elmaco]

Rantanen > MacKinnon

 

[mikkal85]

Yes. What I wrote. He looked / played lazy and yet put up points.

Rantanen played lazy could be because his crazy ice times in Avs. If I remember correctly his average TOI was above 20 mins. Rantanen is also a large player so maybe he was just tired.

 

[Soedy]

Rantanen played lazy could be because his crazy ice times in Avs. If I remember correctly his average TOI was above 20 mins. Rantanen is also a large player so maybe he was just tired.

Absolutely. And if that's the case, Bednar has to take full blame for it.

 

[Daishi]

Like I said, there is very much a larger discussion to be had, if Rantanen really does return to his pre-2022 form in Dallas. It's way too early to tell, based on the last 3-4 games when his 8 year deal hasn't even kicked in yet. But if he does, it brings giant question marks for Jared Bednar's coaching, the evalution of the Avs FO on Bednar and especially Rantanen.

HOWEVER, like I said, based on how Rantanen actually played during the 2022-2025 stretch, it is not a cope. You can make your arguments for why Rantanen has not been able to drive play and been absolutely horrible outside of MacKinnon. I don't really care at this point, the fact of the matter is that this is how he played. He was a MacKinnon merchant, and to suggest otherwise is not only coping, it's denying the facts.

Playoffs are more important than the regular season. We don't need to wait and see anything. When the season is on the line and games are meaningful this guy Rants delivers. We're already laughing at Colorado and I'm personally laughing at you for desperately trying to cope with a gigantic mistake.

 

[jaa]

Well, I brought in the word "lazy". And by lazy I don't mean his TOI but how he played (winning puck battles, etc.). I also explicity wrote that he still put up points, which just shows how much talent he has. Despite his points total I don't think he was worth 13+ AAV.

To clarify: what he showed the last few games is worth the 12 AAV, maybe even more than 13 AAV. But he did not play like that the last 2 years. And in hindsight, Avs made a huge mistake with the trade and might just closed the window completely.

Reasonable answer

 

[GlitchMarner]

He has to be the Conn Smythe front-runner right now.

 

[Joe MacMillan]

It's not revisionist history FFS

A lot of Avs fans have been down on Mikko for a few seasons now, and it's because they actually watch him play night in and night out. And while you obviously haven't, you can look up the advanced stats and see what was going on. FACT: Mikko Rantanen had regressed, and could not drive play or produce without MacKinnon. That's not an opinion, it's a straight-up fact.

Now, if that was because of coaching (like not managing his minutes properly), that's a different discussion. And we are going to have it in length and detail, if Rantanen continues to play like this, especially continuing next season. If he does that, there is going to be a giant discussion about the way Colorado handled it.

That's an observation induced from the underlying stats, not a fact.

And now that observation can be called into question given his current performance without MacKinnon.

 

[sooni]

Absolutely. And if that's the case, Bednar has to take full blame for it.

Sebastian Aho just told the press that he is not playing "full force" at regular season and he played avg 2-3min less than Mikko.