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Hey, they come as a pair--Dubois Jr the player and Dubois Sr, the coach!
(but I corrected it anyway
)Speculation: Where does PLDs contract end up at?
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Hey, they come as a pair--Dubois Jr the player and Dubois Sr, the coach!
(but I corrected it anyway
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I believe the Jets sign Dubois in the $ 8- 8.5 mil range over 6-7 years. I believe as a free agent he'd likely get $ 9 mil. The most Chevy would go on PLD is $ 9 mil -- "absolute tops."
Center ice men that are his size, and possess his speed, with a great set of hands will command top dollar. It will be a tough signing.
If I was the GM, and Wheeler's no move clause expires after 3 years I believe ? It's time to trade Blake and free up that $ 8.5 mil cap space he eats up. He's still a fairly solid player but likely only worth 5.5
Center ice men that are his size, and possess his speed, with a great set of hands will command top dollar. It will be a tough signing.
If I was the GM, and Wheeler's no move clause expires after 3 years I believe ? It's time to trade Blake and free up that $ 8.5 mil cap space he eats up. He's still a fairly solid player but likely only worth 5.5
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I'm guessing we can get him in the $7.5-8.5 range. I assume that without taking a pretty heavy discount (unlikely) Copp is gone. If Svech continues to look alright we likely re-up him on the cheap. Harkins and Ves won't be very expensive. Likely let Stastny walk unless he re-ups on the cheap. Perfetti and Gus should step in next year.
I thought #1 c usually go for 8-9. And that’s what he is. So is Mark we have 2 1c.
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Using Suzuki contract as a reference you know he has to get more and deserves more then Suzuki if he signed 8 years……so expecting 8 million at a minimum if it’s 8 years. If it’s less then 8 years it all depends how short term he goes, shorter term means less cap hit so….we will see. Either way, his new deal is going to be record breaking deal for the Jets and well deserved if he keeps this up.
If he keeps playing like he has this season 7.143 X 7 years ..... I like nice looking numbers so 50 mil it is
I think despite Dillons early season struggles he brings an element to his game that we've been sorely lacking. The Jets have been pushed around a lot since Buff left, and whilst Dillon hasn't stopped that from happening, he has raised team toughness measurably.
That might not be the end all and be all, but it still matters. Team psyche has a big hand in overall performance, and it's built through skill, size, toughness, and your goaltender. I don't think there's a magic formula for it but I think the Jets currently have found a nice balance.
I'd imagine Stanley will grow into that role, he's already doing it to some extent, but he hasn't necessarily earned that respect or reputation yet.
I think that either Heinola or Samberg will need to be moved because I really don't see a way for both of them to get an honest shot at the right time for them in their development cycle.
If Stanley jumps into the top 4 through this year's performance, and if Heinola takes a big step forward, I could see the Jets trading Dillon, but I honestly don't think it's the teams MO to trade guys they've committed to through deals we made with players. So unless Demelo, Pionk, Schmidt or Morrissey ask to be moved I think they at least play out their contracts here.
We have the best problem right now and it'll be interesting to see how it's navigated.
That might not be the end all and be all, but it still matters. Team psyche has a big hand in overall performance, and it's built through skill, size, toughness, and your goaltender. I don't think there's a magic formula for it but I think the Jets currently have found a nice balance.
I'd imagine Stanley will grow into that role, he's already doing it to some extent, but he hasn't necessarily earned that respect or reputation yet.
I think that either Heinola or Samberg will need to be moved because I really don't see a way for both of them to get an honest shot at the right time for them in their development cycle.
If Stanley jumps into the top 4 through this year's performance, and if Heinola takes a big step forward, I could see the Jets trading Dillon, but I honestly don't think it's the teams MO to trade guys they've committed to through deals we made with players. So unless Demelo, Pionk, Schmidt or Morrissey ask to be moved I think they at least play out their contracts here.
We have the best problem right now and it'll be interesting to see how it's navigated.
Yup and that's why I think he's maybe the only one to be moved but I also think the org loves what he brings so if Stanley can't replace that I don't think they'll move him.
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I like a mix of size and skill in the line up - and that doesn't mean large unskilled Dmen. I didn't say size is everything in the NHL - but I do think size is a plus when defending.
I'm not assuming anything with Heinola - if anything, the assumption that is out there is that he is in the line up next year based on his potential.
I like to push off what I see most recently - and that doesn't mean I am writing anyone off - only that there appears to be much more work that needs to be done. It is concerning when a player comes into camp and appears to have actually declined in the area that he needed to work on the most - defending in his own end.
I agree with you on Samberg - I don't believe we have seen enough of Samberg to make any projections on his role in lineup. It was frustrating when he went down in camp before we had that opportunity.
As for Dillon, I won't assume they move him in the next few years as they work the window - in the end, that move would be based on the need to move Ville into the line up. I'm not sure that is the priority over winning right now. Would that help us with cap? Yes, but it would also reverse some of the work they did in the off season to improve our D. I also think the org is aware of the size / skill blend.
Dillon and Pionk might be a concern - both are scattered in their approach to defending.
Both are caught chasing the play (or away from the play) from time to time and I wouldn't put all that blame on Dillon - at least he is effective in taking the body and clearing the front. Pionk still has work to do in this area - his focus is weighed heavily to the offensive game. I don't have an issue with him joining 44/88 in the hunt for points - but I would like to see him take care of the D side as a similar priority.
In the end, I'm behind Ville / Samberg as much at the next guy but I want to see improvement in the area of the game that needs work (and this is more pointed at Ville). He needs to be able to defend at a higher level that he has shown - IMO.
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What a turnout in Morrissey. Growth and increased respect in Stan. So yes and no more than just adding two guys.
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I'm predict a team friendly deal. See Lowry. Having his dad with the franchise doesn't hurt.
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Yes, JoMo is playing much better - now that he has a solid RHD playing with him
Demelo is now allowed to move down to the third pairing in support of young Stan.
So yes, the addition of these 2 impacts all of it - in a good way.
Okay but that’s what Schmidt does. If we didn’t have Dillion we have forbort. Not quite as good but all those changes you mention are Schmidt.
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We need to weigh in on what Dillon brings -
He's big and aggressive, he plays the man and works the walls and net front
He makes players hesitate when they are roaming our zone, screening, and taking liberties with our goal tender -
We don't talk about those things very often - we like to measure our dmen by how many points they get.
There are other things that do not show up in the stats column
He is not offensive - and I'm thankful for that considering we have enough dmen on this team that are.
Forbort vs Dillon? I'll leave that one alone.
On topic: I see 7.5 to 8 for PLD over 6 - 7 yrs. Hope he is willing to take a bit of a discount considering the Jets pulled him out of a rough situation and have been patient.
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Tough to say. He's a 1C right now for sure, but he hasn't really played at this level for any period of time before this. He's had spurts but his overall offence was a step below what it currently is and offence is what really gets you paid. At $9m he would be the 10th highest paid center in the league and I don't think the Jets will go that high. I'm predicting 6 or 7 years max $8.5m. Chevy has done a good job handing out those next contracts to players and getting them to buy in before they potentially hit a higher payday down the line. I think PLD likes the fit here and likes Winnipeg itself which is a bonus. So maybe we can shave a little off the top and go 7 years. On the open market he 100% likely gets 7 years at $9m.
Some comps that could be used for third contracts for Dubois:
Johansen 8 x $8 million 10.67% of cap
Couture 5 x $6 million or 9.33% of cap
Kuznetsov 8 x $7.8 million or 10.40% of cap
Point 8 x $9.5 million or 11.66 % of cap
Schenn 4 x $5.2 million or 7.02 % of cap
Hertl 4 x $5.625 million or 7.08 % of cap
So if we go long term off a bridge then I would expect him to come in around Johansen and Kuznetsov's deals so:
$8.5 to $8.7
If its 5 years around Couture's deal which would be $7.7 million
Johansen 8 x $8 million 10.67% of cap
Couture 5 x $6 million or 9.33% of cap
Kuznetsov 8 x $7.8 million or 10.40% of cap
Point 8 x $9.5 million or 11.66 % of cap
Schenn 4 x $5.2 million or 7.02 % of cap
Hertl 4 x $5.625 million or 7.08 % of cap
So if we go long term off a bridge then I would expect him to come in around Johansen and Kuznetsov's deals so:
$8.5 to $8.7
If its 5 years around Couture's deal which would be $7.7 million
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I would pick PLD over Laine 100 times out of 100. Roslovic is up to 3 points in 11 games. Back to the future for him. Great trade!
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