Where did Yzerman go wrong with the rebuild?

[Henkka]

To beat a dead horse:

Ed-Mo
Walman-Hronek
Chiarot-Maata

This would have been a decent defense.

You add 3.4M (Walman) and 7.25M Hronek in caphits.

So you don't sign 3.4M Holl, and 2.0M Gustafsson on those off-seasons.

That's 5.25M less in cap space. Then there's no Kane at season before, because Hronek existed. And no Kane proably at all.

Also, Yzerman got draft picks from Hronek and used the 1st to draft Sandin Pellikka. That 2nd was traded down for Brady Cleveland + extra 5th pick Kevin Bicker.

So this Hronek-trade basicly is transferring the rebuild timeline back with 8 years, from 27-year old Hronek to 19-year old Pellikka. Plus getting some extra draft picks and opening cap space for short-term help.

 

[Lampedampe]

You add 3.4M (Walman) and 7.25M Hronek in caphits.

So you don't sign 3.4M Holl, and 2.0M Gustafsson on those off-seasons.

That's 5.25M less in cap space. Then there's no Kane at season before, because Hronek existed. And no Kane proably at all.

I'd be fine with that.

If he doesn't trade for Petry there would be money for Kane though, right?

A lot of things probably would have been different if Yzerman kept Hronek.

 

[Ulysses31]

You add 3.4M (Walman) and 7.25M Hronek in caphits.

So you don't sign 3.4M Holl, and 2.0M Gustafsson on those off-seasons.

That's 5.25M less in cap space. Then there's no Kane at season before, because Hronek existed. And no Kane proably at all.

Also, Yzerman got draft picks from Hronek and used the 1st to draft Sandin Pellikka. That 2nd was traded down for Brady Cleveland + extra 5th pick Kevin Bicker.

So this Hronek-trade basicly is transferring the rebuild timeline back with 8 years, from 27-year old Hronek to 19-year old Pellikka. Plus getting some extra draft picks and opening cap space for short-term help.

ASP got to b better than hronek doesnt he?

 

[Henkka]

ASP got to b better than hronek doesnt he?

Yeah, in potential.

But development is not a 100% guarantee.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I don't think the rebuild is lost, but if there's a criticism to be had, it's pro scouting for defense.

 

[schuelma24]

Last night really illustrated this for me - if you look at things completely dispassionately and just ignore absolute putrid state of things with the current roster, I'd argue the rebuild looks better now than it did in the summer.

-Ed not only made the leap to top 4 defender, he's playing like a legit top pair.
-Kasper is up and holding his own (I know the production isn't there yet, but I'd still call this a positive development)
- To the extent the team does well, it's basically entirely because of players who will be around in 2-3 years (though I'll admit who knows if Cat will get extended).

Then you look at the prospects and things are progressing extremely well:

- ASP is setting records in the SHL and playing 20 minutes a game.
-Cossa is at a .931 playing a heavy workload.
-Buch is performing at a historic pace in the KHL and there's now a chance he's a legit top 6 winger.
-Lombardi is rocking the AHL.
-Danielson and MBN are doing fine after admittedly slow starts.


All of this is far more important than how bad the current roster looks.

Where I agree there needs to be improvement is current pro scouting. We're about to have a ton of cap space again, and if we blow it on mediocre guys it will set things back again.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Last night really illustrated this for me - if you look at things completely dispassionately and just ignore absolute putrid state of things with the current roster, I'd argue the rebuild looks better now than it did in the summer.

-Ed not only made the leap to top 4 defender, he's playing like a legit top pair.
-Kasper is up and holding his own (I know the production isn't there yet, but I'd still call this a positive development)
- To the extent the team does well, it's basically entirely because of players who will be around in 2-3 years (though I'll admit who knows if Cat will get extended).

Then you look at the prospects and things are progressing extremely well:

- ASP is setting records in the SHL and playing 20 minutes a game.
-Cossa is at a .931 playing a heavy workload.
-Buch is performing at a historic pace in the KHL and there's now a chance he's a legit top 6 winger.
-Lombardi is rocking the AHL.
-Danielson and MBN are doing fine after admittedly slow starts.


All of this is far more important than how bad the current roster looks.

Where I agree there needs to be improvement is current pro scouting. We're about to have a ton of cap space again, and if we blow it on mediocre guys it will set things back again.

Well, and you have to consider that this is exactly how Yzerman has said he was gonna do it.