SantosHalper
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Whatcha gonna do brother when Copp-a-mania runs wild on you!Copp has shown some real chemistry with Kane these last couple of games.
The haters are going to be in shambles if he keeps it up.
Whatcha gonna do brother when Copp-a-mania runs wild on you!Copp has shown some real chemistry with Kane these last couple of games.
The haters are going to be in shambles if he keeps it up.
2026????sometimes a Michelin star chef will have a snack while the entree is baking in the oven. If we are having this same conversation in 2026 then yes I will concede the point. His timeline was and is the long road.
What year of the Yzerplan is this...6 or 7?
I'm not so sure it's acceptable either way to be still this consistently lousy, ie slow, soft, lack of skill, poor decision-making, poor structure, inconsistent goaltending...
A bottom 10 finish should be seen as an abject failure from top to bottom...
Still lots of time to get going here but hard decisions need to be made
I'm about as frustrated as anyone on here these days. I feel like this team's problems have been entirely predictable and having 100% commitment to Yzerman's type of player has prevented us from building a competent team. If Walman is a problem in the locker room and our second best defenseman, you try to coach him. At least until you can replace him. If Ben Chiarot is your best friend and a terrible hockey player, you invite him to your family barbecue. You don't sign him to play for you. When we have to make a choice on a defenseman, it seems like we choose wrong 80% of the time. We're ultimately full of character guys that play the right way and everyone sings kumbaya at the end of team meetings. They also are just bad hockey players and I'm so excited for their contracts to expire this/next off-season.2026????
He cannot have an endless runway. It’s unacceptable if they’re not in the postseason this spring.
He’s in year six. It’s irrelevant what the team looked like when he got here.
I agree with the first point. However one can also spin it around and say they have drafted highly responsible players and not high flash, terrible defend players, meaning even if they had all the talent they wouldn't win and people would complain that they were bad defensively. So a doomed if you do and doomed if you don't situation when it comes to comments from fans.Two problems:
1. Drafting has been going after high character, high floor, low ceiling players that leave the forward core to be severely untalented.
2. Trying to sign players who overachieved in their FA year on more talented teams to fill larger roles on a less talented Red Wings team hoping it would take them to the next level.
It's by no means unacceptable to not make the playoffs this season. Should have made it last year because of the position and form they were in, but in reality had no business being there last season. They need to keep building it stone by stone and piece by piece, if make the playoffs great and if not its okay. Better to keep growing and stay on plan and the team will become stronger for it. No point making hasty idiotic decisions at this point.He cannot have an endless runway. It’s unacceptable if they’re not in the postseason this spring.
frankly speaking, our rebuld already failed.
The majority of Yzerman's draft picks haven't had a chance to play any/20 games and we're chalking it up as failure.
Not a single one of his draft picks has even hit their prime. Like what the hell did you guys expect at this point.
Who specifically are these non-"high character, high floor, low ceiling" players Yzerman should have been targeting in the draft? It helps to be able to tie this to actual names.Two problems:
1. Drafting has been going after high character, high floor, low ceiling players that leave the forward core to be severely untalented.
2. Trying to sign players who overachieved in their FA year on more talented teams to fill larger roles on a less talented Red Wings team hoping it would take them to the next level.
If Detroit had a couple more high impact kids bringing on Compher/Copp/Holl like players would be not great but not bad. But these two things combined leaves Detroit in the position to be too good to get high impact players in the draft and too bad to realistically make the playoffs in their current configuration.
Why don't we use some names here. What you are really trying to say is that they should not have taken Kasper or Danielson. If you mean that, just come out and say it. The thing is, they didn't sign those two because they were low ceiling, high floor, high character (whatever the f*** that means). They signed them because they were the best available centers who realistically projected to play center at the NHL level. Now, if you don't want us to draft centers, that is fine. You should, however, probably have some other realistic strategy for acquiring them.I agree with the first point. However one can also spin it around and say they have drafted highly responsible players and not high flash, terrible defend players, meaning even if they had all the talent they wouldn't win and people would complain that they were bad defensively. So a doomed if you do and doomed if you don't situation when it comes to comments from fans.
Maybe they haven't seen those specific offensive talents they think would be powerful enoughIt or they haven't been available to them in their draft position.
It's by no means unacceptable to not make the playoffs this season. Should have made it last year because of the position and form they were in, but in reality had no business being they last season. They need to keep building it stone by stone and piece by piece, if make the playoffs great and if not its okay. Better to keep growing and stay on plan and the team will become stronger for it. No point making hasty idiotic decisions at this point.
Why don't we use some names here. What you are really trying to say is that they should not have taken Kasper or Danielson. If you mean that, just come out and say it. The thing is, they didn't sign those two because they were low ceiling, high floor, high character (whatever the f*** that means). They signed them because they were the best available centers who realistically projected to play center at the NHL level. Now, if you don't want us to draft centers, that is fine. You should, however, probably have some other realistic strategy for acquiring them.
2026????
He cannot have an endless runway. It’s unacceptable if they’re not in the postseason this spring.
He’s in year six. It’s irrelevant what the team looked like when he got here.
I am not the one saying it, I was answering posters who say Detroit have drafted what they see as lower ceiling higher floor type of players in the draft. Meaning less flash, more reliable players projected on paper. My belief is Detroit management believe those will be better offensively than what the posters who gives the critique think if given the right guidance as I think they believe those guys have the right mentality to do so. For example Kasper and Danielson.Why don't we use some names here. What you are really trying to say is that they should not have taken Kasper or Danielson. If you mean that, just come out and say it. The thing is, they didn't sign those two because they were low ceiling, high floor, high character (whatever the f*** that means). They signed them because they were the best available centers who realistically projected to play center at the NHL level. Now, if you don't want us to draft centers, that is fine. You should, however, probably have some other realistic strategy for acquiring them.
Yes they had to spend the money for that season. They didn't have to lock themselves into contracts of that length for that quality of players.It's not an excuse - its reality. This team had to spend cap dollars that summer.
Your second point is different issue all together.
And which players would want to sign there for those short term contracts you talk about?Yes they had to spend the money for that season. They didn't have to lock themselves into contracts of that length for that quality of players.
Ridiculous claims.You can't do good rebuild in this league anymore if you don't draft 1/2 OA on a consistent basis.
frankly speaking, our rebuld already failed. some fans just cannot accept this fact for some reason. we have two options: start over again or build a good D with good goalies
What makes you so sure that players picked in next 3-5 years would develop faster than the players we have picked already?and test our luck with drafting star forwards 8n the following 3-5 years. I guess the latter option will be executed by Steve Y. we might get competitive again by 2028-2030.