When Will The USA Be The Country To Beat? (EDIT: Not just for WJHC)

[Mr Kanadensisk]

Yours is a perfect demonstration of why terms like terms like "dominated" are so often ridiculous in the context of the real World! By your standards of definition, Russia totally dominated Finland in the QF at Sochi, outshooting them 37-19. A point of trivia, by your terms, is that Finland actually won the game, 3-1, and eliminated Russia from the medal round. But that is an irrelevant bit of trivia that shouldn't cloud the real issue of who won the shots on goal (SOG) battle and who had the largest number of territorial incursions.

Canada is just lucky that they didn't face Russia in Sochi by your standards, given the fact that Russia's SOG margin over Finland was 18 goals, whereas Canada's was only 12. I think you would agree that the Russians would have mopped the floor with Canada! Now, the people who follow Finland will argue that the Finns employ a defensive collapsing and counterattacking system that generates wins, but rarely huge SOG totals. But the final score is only irrelevant trivia, after all.

In Sochi the Canadian men played 21752 seconds of hockey and in not one of them did we ever trail by even a goal. I would call that being dominant.

 

[daver]

In Sochi the Canadian men played 21752 seconds of hockey and in not one of them did we ever trail by even a goal. I would call that being dominant.

If the score of the games is the exclusive indicator of superiority, they outscored the Finns, the US and Sweden by a combined 600% allowing only one goal to 3 of the Top 5, (arguably 4), hockey nations in the world.

 

[Yakushev72]

These comparisons to basketball don't really work. Hockey is a sport that involves a ton of luck by definition, basketball doesn't. Canada won the last 2 Olympic tournaments, the last one in dominating defensive fashion.

Hockey scores are 2-1 or 3-2 rather than 102-90, that alone makes luck a larger factor in hockey. Lebron can play half the game and have the ball much of that time, hockey players (other than goalies) don't have that kind of effect on the game.

Comparing the USAs domination in basketball to Canada's in hockey is extremely difficult because of how different the 2 sports are.

In basketball, 102-90 is a close, competitive game. The kind of scores the US wins by, say 130-50, is comparable to a beheading. When Team USA hits the Olympic basketball court, there is absolutely NO CHANCE that the opponent will come within 30 points, which is a romp. Canada has won 3 of 5 Olympics, but has had to fight and scrape to do so (the poor performance by Sweden in Sochi being an exception). That's the difference.

 

[daver]

In basketball, 102-90 is a close, competitive game. The kind of scores the US wins by, say 130-50, is comparable to a beheading. When Team USA hits the Olympic basketball court, there is absolutely NO CHANCE that the opponent will come within 30 points, which is a romp. Canada has won 3 of 5 Olympics, but has had to fight and scrape to do so (the poor performance by Sweden in Sochi being an exception). That's the difference.

Sweden performed poorly? How does one make that judgement?

Actually I would say Canada performed poorly in the prior four Olympics. They finally played to their on-paper superiority in 2014.

 

[Beau Knows]

In basketball, 102-90 is a close, competitive game. The kind of scores the US wins by, say 130-50, is comparable to a beheading. When Team USA hits the Olympic basketball court, there is absolutely NO CHANCE that the opponent will come within 30 points, which is a romp. Canada has won 3 of 5 Olympics, but has had to fight and scrape to do so (the poor performance by Sweden in Sochi being an exception). That's the difference.

Wow, you completely missed the point. Yes, obviously 102-90 is close in basketball, that's the point, hence why it was compared to a 3-2 score in hockey.

Canada won it's last Gold Medal by a score of 3-0. Is that not domination? In 2002 they also won 5-2, more domination. They beat Russia 7-3 in 2010. All those teams were the best of the best and Canada won easily.

Sure, Canada hasn't always beaten bad team by huge scores. But who cares? They have won 3 out of the last 4 Gold Medals, that is domination.

Gold medal game performances:

Canada won 5-2 in 2002
USA won 85-75 in 2000.

Canada won 3-2 in 2010
USA won 118-107 in 2008

Canada won 3-0 in 2014
USA won 107-100 in 2012

Wow yeah no one can come within 30 points huh? Canada won by a combined score of 11-4 in their gold medal games.

 

[Number 57]

Canada has wayyyyyyy too much depth and skills... they'll still be on top...

USA near future

Gaudreau - Matthews - Eichel
P.Kane - Galchenyuk - Pavelski
Parise - T.Johnson - Kessel
Saad - Stepan - Bjugstad
Van Riemsdyk, Ryan, Kreider

Suter - Jones
Hanifin - J.Carlson
McDonagh - Trouba
Fowler - Shattenkirk / Faulk

Quick - Schneider - J.Gibson

vs

CAN near future;

Hall - Crosby - MacKinnon
Tavares - McDavid - Stamkos
Benn - Giroux - Seguin
Couturier - Toews - Bergeron
*Drouin, Huberdeau, RNH, Getzlaf, Perry, Duchene, Reinhart, Monahan, Horvat

Ekblad - Weber
Vlasic - Doughty
Rielly - Subban
*Pietrangelo, Letang

Price - Bernier - Fleury

 

[SanDogBrewin]

The United States is going to continue to fall financially, which will hurt their sports development. Hockey has never been, nor will be a Top 3 consideration in the United States.

Considering a growing income inequality and the price to play hockey, it will regress in terms of high-end talent.

The exact opposite is happening, more and more rinks are popping up in areas that you wouldn't expect. Etem is from Orange County, Ca., Matthews is from Scottsdale, Az., Caleb Jones is from Texas and Thatcher Demko is from San Diego, Ca. There are more examples as well.

USNTDP is not dependent on how the American dollar is doing or not doing there Dr. Ron Paul Nice try on the fall of the Western Civilization below the 49th, it isn't happening.

The talent pool for the US is progressing rapidly but in my view it isn't even close to Canada's talent pool.

 

[Erikfromfin]

Top6 of the Top6 countries born 1990-1998 (mid 08 draft to 16 draft)

Taylor Hall - Connor McDavid - Steven Stamkos
Tyler Seguin - John Tavares - Nathan Mackinnon

Nail Yakupov - Evgeny Kuznetsov - Vladimir Tarasenko
Nikita Kucherov - Dmitri Sokolov - Valeri Nichushkin

Mikael Granlund - Aleksander Barkov - Patrik Laine
Mikko Rantanen - Teuvo Teräväinen - Jesse Puljujärvi

Gabriel Landeskog - Elias Lindholm - Filip Forsberg
Andre Burakovsky - Mika Zibanejad - William Nylander

Jakub Vrana - Pavel Zacha - Thomas Hertl
Ondrej Palat - Radek Faksa - David Pastrnak

Johnny Gaudreau - Jack Eichel - Alex Galchenyuk
Brandon Saad - Auston Matthews - Tyler Johnson

Did I miss somebody? how would u rank those?

my personal would be
1. Canada
2. USA
3. Finland
4. Russia
5. Sweden
6. Czech