When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You can do this with every single team when you are comparing one pick vs the field.

Do what you did but do the Leaf’s, just for fun….

Yzerman has made a ton of mistakes but drafting sure as hell hasn’t been one.

sure you could but he misses on ALL of his picks outside of the top ones.

and if you did do it with Toronto yeah you'd find some misses you know what else you'd find?

Joseph Woll in round 3

Engvall in round 7

Dokota Jousha in round 5

Rasmus Sandin and Sean Durzi as back to back picks in round 1 and 2 in 2018

Nick Robertson in round 2 in 2019 , and I don't even like Nick Robertson but he at least plays games.

We are going to skip over 2020 because Amirov died

2021 you find Matthew Knies

20022 you find Fraser Mintend and Nikita Grebenkin they have already played games.

and then in 2023 yoy have Cowan and 2024 you have Danford and we will see.

the reality is ifit doesn't matter if you go back to when both teams started their rebuilds.

or you just stick t0 2019-2024

The Leafs drafting has been much better beyond the first round.

Seider, Johansson and Söderblom is a very good draft at minimum already. Depending on Johansson and Söderbloms development going forward it could be an amazing draft.

I said Seider was a good pickthe problem is after the Seider's and the Raymonds

 

[Pavels Dog]

I said Seider was a good pickthe problem is after the Seider's and the Raymonds

Hence why I mentioned Johansson and Söderblom.
They’d also have Mazur on the team now but he’s injured.

 

[nbwingsfan]

sure you could but he misses on ALL of his picks outside of the top ones.

and if you did do it with Toronto yeah you'd find some misses you know what else you'd find?

Joseph Woll in round 3

Engvall in round 7

Dokota Jousha in round 5

Rasmus Sandin and Sean Durzi as back to back picks in round 1 and 2 in 2018

Nick Robertson in round 2 in 2019 , and I don't even like Nick Robertson but he at least plays games.

We are going to skip over 2020 because Amirov died

2021 you find Matthew Knies

20022 you find Fraser Mintend and Nikita Grebenkin they have already played games.

and then in 2023 yoy have Cowan and 2024 you have Danford and we will see.

the reality is ifit doesn't matter if you go back to when both teams started their rebuilds.

or you just stick t0 2019-2024

The Leafs drafting has been much better beyond the first round.

So you’re using examples of pre 2019 when Yzerman took over AND players who haven’t even played a game yet? Yikes.

Albert Johansson has played games and looks like top 4

Mazur has played a game (then got injured)

Bulchelnikov looks great in the KHL

Soderblom was playing on the top line as a 6th rd pick

Again, drafting isn’t his problem whatsoever

You’re also ignoring that instead of Raymond he could have had Perfetti. Instead of Seider he could have had Soderstrom. Instead of Edvinsson he could have had Cole Sillinger.

You can’t just ignore the great picks he’s made as well

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So you’re using examples of pre 2019 when Yzerman took over AND players who haven’t even played a game yet? Yikes.

Albert Johansson has played games and looks like top 4

Mazur has played a game (then got injured)

Bulchelnikov looks great in the KHL

Soderblom was playing on the top line as a 6th rd pick

Again, drafting isn’t his problem whatsoever

You’re also ignoring that instead of Raymond he could have had Perfetti. Instead of Seider he could have had Soderstrom. Instead of Edvinsson he could have had Cole Sillinger.

You can’t just ignore the great picks he’s made as well

I didn't ignore them I said, Seider, Raymond and Edvinson were great picks although I did say that he could have had William Eklund but still Edvinson was a good pick.

 

[GrkFlyersFan]

They're not far off from being a playoff team, and no I don't think they'll make it this year. Their starter is old, and while he keeps getting starting jobs around the league, he's also always one and done. Their backup was a career minor leaguer before this. Now Mrazek's back for some reason. A lot of teams have decided goaltending doesn't matter anymore, and finding out the hard way that it does.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I didn't ignore them I said, Seider, Raymond and Edvinson were great picks although I did say that he could have had William Eklund but still Edvinson was a good pick.

I still don't understand why you're ignoring that they currently have 3 players from 2019 in big roles with the team. That's a good, arguably great haul.

Mazur, Lombardi, Buchelnikov, Augustine, Finnie etc. are more TBD but I think it's fair to say it looks like they're going to get some players out of the later rounds. It almost feels like you came up with your argument a year ago and haven't updated it.

 

[Habs7631]

I think they’ll be more than fine. Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, Danielson, ASP, Nygard, and a goalie tandem of Cossa/Augstine is a good young core. Larkin and DeBrincat are right in the middle of their prime. Decent chunk of their roster is place holders until some more of their prospects graduate and if those kids progress good, they have the potential to have a sick team. Of course like every young team, it all hinges on the progression of the youngsters but the potential is there.

Only thing is they need a potential #1C that fits Mo/Raymond age bracket. Detroit fan know better than me, are either of Kasper/Danielson on that trajectory?

Even if not, they have the pieces to get one. Their pick is currently #10 and looks like they have a rough schedule remaining. If they get a top 10 pick, they might be able to draft one of Desnoyers/Frondell/O’Brien/McQueen. And even if not, I think they’ll have the ammo to move up or try and trade for one. A top 10 pick + one of their promising prospects, or Larkin++ could maybe fetch a high end center prospect? I don’t know, but I like their foundation and this off-season will be interesting for them.

 

[SirKillalot]

With that money they could’ve easily got 2-3 very good players who would be massive upgrades and that would make a world of difference for that roster.

And we are naming a ton of them aren't we? So go for it. Start naming. Or is it just loose talk like yap yap yap, without realism what so ever?

This team should be in a playoff spot right now. Yzerman’s decisions are really the reason why they are not. That’s tough because your group of players really grow with playoff experience, and they’ve not been getting that experience when they really should have.

They could have been in the playoffs a year ago. Yzerman's decisions isn't why there are not there, other players decisions are. He went after those he wanted, they decided to sign elsewhere. Surprise surprise, he has to sign some players to first of all be well above the cap floor, secondly to ice a somewhat competitive team. Some players yes they have played below par in relation to expectations. Others, are just stop gap fillers, that pretty much everyone knows are not good enough. But it was needed to spend enough money.

When you don't even understand the premiss of this rebuild, this yap yap yap gets both meaningless and pointless from your end.

 

[trick9]

March really isn't the Red Wings -month. They love blowing their Playoff chances there.

2024:
3-9-2

2025:
0-5-0

 

[BB88]

Whatcha smokin'? MTL and Jackets were drafting top 3 before Yzerman even came to Detroit.

Columbus started their rebuild in 2022, they were a consistent playoff team during Covid, what are you smoking? They had prime Panarin, Bob, Werenski, Jones, PLD in their lineup. In 2022 Columbus traded Jones& PLD and started the current rebuild you are watching, only Werenski is left from that roster

Montreal was in the finals during Covid, they started their rebuild few years ago. They had prime Price, Pacioretty, Weber/Subban in their lineup

Or are we taking every rebuild into account, hey Avs were drafting high 15 years ago, before Y went to Detroit did you know that??
Did you know Pens were drafting high 20 years ago, way before Y?

All we hear is how it’s too early, too early, it’s been only 6 years….

In half the time both Columbus& Montreal have gotten their rebuilds into the same phase as Y has in Detroit, but hey 6 years is way too little time to get anything done

Montreal drafted 5th overall last offseason, 2nd year in a row. If Detroit fans were told that team would be right there with Detroit the following season a) how many of them would have bought it and b) how many would have accepted that as job well done?

Columbus drafted 4th overall last year and is currently in WC spot.
They both have a brighter looking future as neither the 2023 or -24 5th overall picks are yet playing for Montreal or the -24 4th overall pick for Columbus. Detroit doesn’t have that help coming out from their prospect pool

Detroit can make the playoffs as a WC team but I’ve said if for years, their future scares absolutely nobody

 

[Nogatco Rd]

You can do this with every single team when you are comparing one pick vs the field.

Do what you did but do the Leaf’s, just for fun….

Yzerman has made a ton of mistakes but drafting sure as hell hasn’t been one.

It seems like Yzerman has generally done a fine job, would be nice if he hit on some later round gems but that’s a nitpick.

That said, Detroit’s pro scouting seems to be somewhere between underwhelming and a dumpster fire, and that’s an area where a good GM can add a lot of value to a rebuilding team — i.e., by parlaying savvy FA signings into TDL deals for picks and prospects.

Is it true Chris Yzerman is in charge of pro scouting? Is it safe to say his seat would be hot if his brother wasn’t the GM?

As an outsider, that’s the main red flag for me.

 

[BB88]

Watch how long it takes the Pens to rebuild after going from Champs to chumps.
How long have Hawks, Sharks, Ducks, Flames, Flyers, Jackets , Sens, Habs, Sabres , Blues, been terribly poor to average.
Stevie Y has had four years. What's with the pitchfork?

Shanny has won one round in 10 years.

This is the NHL .

Why do people lie?

He’s had 6 years, not 4. He started in 2019, we are in 2025

Nobody has even asked him to build a legit contender in that time but they can’t even get to playoffs when the bottom of the East ks garbage..

Montreal and Columbus have done the same as Y in half the time but nobody can say anything against Y because he’s only had 6 years……

 

[nbwingsfan]

It seems like Yzerman has generally done a fine job, would be nice if he hit on some later round gems but that’s a nitpick.

That said, Detroit’s pro scouting seems to be somewhere between underwhelming and a dumpster fire, and that’s an area where a good GM can add a lot of value to a rebuilding team — i.e., by parlaying savvy FA signings into TDL deals for picks and prospects.

Is it true Chris Yzerman is in charge of pro scouting? Is it safe to say his seat would be hot if his brother wasn’t the GM?

As an outsider, that’s the main red flag for me.

Their pro scouting has been a complete dumpster fire

 

[Pavels Dog]

Columbus started their rebuild in 2022, they were a consistent playoff team during Covid, what are you smoking? They had prime Panarin, Bob, Werenski, Jones, PLD in their lineup. In 2022 Columbus traded Jones& PLD and started the current rebuild you are watching, only Werenski is left from that roster

Every rebuild is different. It's very difficult to compare Columbus to Detroit. Arguing that they started in 2022 is one of the most silly things I've ever heard, but even if you want to do that it's objectively true that they started from a completely different spot than Detroit in 2019. If Yzerman had prime Panarin, Bob, Werenski, Jones, PLD in his lineup in 2019 do you really not think Detroit's in a different place right now?

Columbus drafted 4th overall last year and is currently in WC spot.
They both have a brighter looking future as neither the 2023 or -24 5th overall picks are yet playing for Montreal or the -24 4th overall pick for Columbus. Detroit doesn’t have that help coming out from their prospect pool

I'm not sure basing the entire outlook on Cayden Lindstrom is what you want to be doing. Again, the rebuilds are different and Detroit doesn't have one obvious saviour coming, but they've got plenty of help coming from their prospect pool. Arguing differently is just being contrarian for the sake of it.

 

[BB88]

Every rebuild is different. It's very difficult to compare Columbus to Detroit. Arguing that they started in 2022 is one of the most silly things I've ever heard, but even if you want to do that it's objectively true that they started from a completely different spot than Detroit in 2019. If Yzerman had prime Panarin, Bob, Werenski, Jones, PLD in his lineup in 2019 do you really not think Detroit's in a different place right now?


I'm not sure basing the entire outlook on Cayden Lindstrom is what you want to be doing. Again, the rebuilds are different and Detroit doesn't have one obvious saviour coming, but they've got plenty of help coming from their prospect pool. Arguing differently is just being contrarian for the sake of it.

Where I said I’m basing their entire outlook on Cayden? I said he’s not even impacting at all

Fantilli their future franchise 1C is playing his 1st full season and Mateychuk is just starting to get his feet wet in the NHL, Johnson is 22y. Meanwhile Larkin is at the peak of his prime already and he is what he is.

Montreal picked up their franchise forward last summer and he’s not in the NHL yet

From 16-17 season to 19-20 seasons Columbus made the playoffs every year.
2018 Columbus drafted at 18th overall, 2019 they didn’t have a 1st round pick, the year they went all in at the deadline, 2020 they drafted at 21st overall. They weren’t a rebuilding team before Detroit was. In Detroit it started in 2017 and Y came in 2019.


You also act like Y didn’t have their 1C already in place when he got there and not even in his prime yet. He hasn’t even had to figure out the most important position and we are year 6 and he’s still battling to even get into the playoffs in a pathetic WC race

Sure rebuilds are different, good rebuild don’t take 10 years to make. You just always love to use the badly done rebuilds as an example and ignore all the better done rebuilds. You can’t even use the cities against Detroit in this case. Columbus has always had trouble attracting star players and Montreal rarely lands the big fish from the market either.

A fact is this is at the end of year 6 for Y and he has absolutely nothing to show for it and there are multiple rebuilding/young teams in the league who have a better looking future than Detroit. Y is buildin a good team, not a great team

Edit

Both Montreal and Columbus also have 2 1st round picks in this years draft vs 1 for Detroit

 

[Indrid Cold]

Why do people lie?

He’s had 6 years, not 4. He started in 2019, we are in 2025

Nobody has even asked him to build a legit contender in that time but they can’t even get to playoffs when the bottom of the East ks garbage..

Montreal and Columbus have done the same as Y in half the time but nobody can say anything against Y because he’s only had 6 years……

As a Wing's fan, I agree with you. Yzerman has done well, but his FA signings and trades have been horrible. I think his plan was to eek into the playoffs on the back of veterans, while the youngsters cook. It sure isn't working.

 

[PaulD]

Why do people lie?

He’s had 6 years, not 4. He started in 2019, we are in 2025

Nobody has even asked him to build a legit contender in that time but they can’t even get to playoffs when the bottom of the East ks garbage..

Montreal and Columbus have done the same as Y in half the time but nobody can say anything against Y because he’s only had 6 years……

Yzerman spent first two years tearing down.
Next four years rebuilding .

 

[Leonardo87]

Have the same discussion going on in two threads…

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