WJC: Whats wrong with Canada?

[Golden_Jet]

Lol, what I say about the 1980 Olympic Team is absolute fact. Your so called point about players not eligible is completely immaterial, as they still lost them and the remaining players still won.

That’s Gold, says Gretzky.

 

[JackSlater]

Teams don't have to release AHL players if they don't want to (lockout or no). Shane Wright didn't play for Canada for last year. I think Draisaitl didn't play for Germany when he was 19 and it likely caused them to get relegated (actually he was still in the WHL then).

What's never really known is if the player wants to go but the team is telling them no or if the player just doesn't really want to go and the team runs interference on their behalf.

Anyways hard to call 2021 best on best when the two best 01s on the planet (at least at the time) weren't there, even if they plausibly could have been. I think COVID protocol knocked a few other guys out that year as well.

Yes there are definitely cases where a player just doesn't want to go. I've passively kept track of those but it is definitely hard to always know. We know that Lemieux didn't want to play in 1984 and Lafontaine skipped it too, we know that Saarela refused in 2017, but there are a lot of vague cases. I remember rumours that Seguin did not want Boston to release him in 2011 and Wright very likely falls in the same boat. Edmonton did screw Germany over by not releasing Draisaitl but then sending him to the WHL after the tournament was over.

2021 had at least Lafreniere and Hughes out, and those are the best players that could have played in that tournament. I believe Nick Robertson was not released for USA, and strangely Owen Power wasn't released by his university coach (still not sure how that happened). Kakko also wasn't available for Finland. Seider is one of those cases where it isn't clear he wanted to go, but in the end he missed the tournament and stayed with his professional team. In any event 2021 is a strange pick, it had missing players just like every year and there are years with fewer missing players.

There has not been a WJC where everyone was released by their professional teams, even the lockout years. 2006 was the closest as far as I can tell. It doesn't really matter when comparing teams. It is relevant if someone is trying to espouse on talent development, but that is clearly not quite the same thing.

 

[WarriorofTime]

and strangely Owen Power wasn't released by his university coach (still not sure how that happened).

Further, Beniers, Brisson and York all were released by Michigan to play for USA. Something about the logistics of Canada's camp, and stating that Powers family was involved but "disappointed". Odd situation. Who knows how badly Power was banging on the door to be allowed to go or not.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Whats wrong with Canada?​

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My answer will never change, too much fluoride in their drinking water​

 

[KevinRedkey]

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

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Iginla was/is injured so I can see that but the rest could have been great additions and were a lot better than a least 6 other players so what the fukc was going on...And our Seniors didn't exactly contribute a whole lot if anything...and another thing Canada always falls prey to taking some of the best forwards regardless of position and then asks them to play a "foreign" position...i.e., a Centre is asked to pla RWing or LWing...how many Centres did Team Canada have like 8-9 natural Centres WTF!!!

 

[Czechboy]

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If you go to round 2 you will see Badinka and he didn't get taken. Most of us lost our minds about this. I cannot imagine not bringing 5 out of the top 10 picks in the first round. Luckily, Czechs don't hit top 10 that often so not a real issue for us.lol

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

This is a great thread to read daily.

One thing in reading is that the world has caught up. I don't think they have. None of the czechs, Slovaks, Swiss or Germans have made those kind of gains. Still miles behind. US have certaily has made gains.
I'd say the sport of hockey has shrunk no Russians either internationally speaking. There were essentially 3 Gold favs here. That's it.

I still don't think Canada has any major issues. I don't even think it's that big a blip. To me, it's all about management.

I will say though that I love reading about poor roster selection when HF used to routinely have the 'Team B would win Gold posts'. In this case, I think Team B may have even beat Team A.lol

I can thnk of 2 Major issues...Canada doesn't produce many great D-men anyone and fewer and fewer Goaltenders...when's the last time a Canadian goaltender was drafted in the 1st round of the draft...Marc Andre Fleury(2004)?Carey Price(2005) and Jonathan Bernier 2006...That's it...it the fault of the Major Junior operators who seem to want to develop European talent over our our...WTF Don Cherry was right to some extent...plz don't say Sabastian Cossa cause he's not an NHL goalie yet and may never be...

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The team or the country?

 

[Czechboy]

I can thnk of 2 Major issues...Canada doesn't produce many great D-men anyone and fewer and fewer Goaltenders...when's the last time a Canadian goaltender was drafted in the 1st round of the draft...Marc Andre Fleury(2004)?Carey Price(2005) and Jonathan Bernier 2006...That's it...it the fault of the Major Junior operators who seem to want to develop European talent over our our...WTF Don Cherry was right to some extent...plz don't say Sabastian Cossa cause he's not an NHL goalie yet and may never be...

Agree and disagree...

yes, Canada has a small goalie issue. They still have the most goalies in NHL and have 2 cup winners for the 4 nations team. But yes, goalies are behind several nations. No Price, Brodeur or Roy talent currently.

they DID ban Euro goalies from the CHL... I was totally fine with it. I'm actually fine if they ban all Euro's from playing in CHL. BUT, now they are back and I'm not sure why that changed? But banning them for a few years didn't increase the elite goalie count in Canada.

 

[Nucks2001]

I can thnk of 2 Major issues...Canada doesn't produce many great D-men anyone and fewer and fewer Goaltenders...when's the last time a Canadian goaltender was drafted in the 1st round of the draft...Marc Andre Fleury(2004)?Carey Price(2005) and Jonathan Bernier 2006...That's it...it the fault of the Major Junior operators who seem to want to develop European talent over our our...WTF Don Cherry was right to some extent...plz don't say Sabastian Cossa cause he's not an NHL goalie yet and may never be…

Goalies sure, but defencemen? Korchinksi, Power, Zellweger, Clarke, Byram, Guhle, Harley. DuPont, Yakemchuk, Parekh all in the works. I agree to some exten though, some of the younger American guys like Sanderson, Hughes, Hutson and Faber have established themselves more at a younger age, but it’s not like Canada isn’t producing elite young defencemen

 

[TakeTheBody]

The best team won.

Again.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

I would pop a Champagne being you guys! Trudeau is gone and your next junior team is going to be juggernaut! You must somehow evade Czechia and your nemesis Sikora in quarterfinals and bronze is completely doable for you, so heads up, rise and shine!

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Canada always has depth that, we can always say "oh we left out this and that good player" it's normal. We have the depth. But this roster selection is questionable, like very very questionable again, on top of the ice time allocation is also questionable. You and I are wondering how there are 13 guys better than Beckett. I'm also wondering how does a Cowan kid have more ice time than any other forward. Also from a Canadian perspective it seems like he favored OHlers over the other leauges, for example Iginla doesn't make the team.


I think their equal. but facts are facts. CHL does play more games,.

I have been following the tournament since about 2004, one thing that has changed is other countries have definitely gotten better. Back in the day it always felt like Canada just had a stacked all star type team and everyone else just couldn't compete with their depth and while still the number one producer of talent they aren't so far ahead where they can just leave guys off in favor of "role players" I understand wanting two way guys, building a team etc but there's like 5 players they left off where you are just perplexed at what's going on

I don't know what politics are involved, I remember the USA program used to be littered with it

 

[wishywashy19]

Soon to merge with, well, you know...

Keep reading Fox News and wallow in your Miller beer.

 

[Mike C]

Keep reading Fox News and wallow in your Miller beer.

Nice 14 percent "like" ratio.

 

[jfhabs]

They have Celibrini and Bedard playing in the NHL right now.

But management is the problem with the latest edition, from selection to coaching. No practices, no accountability.

 

[Dr Pepper]

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All this did was remind me how the Russian kids are still being blackballed by the IIHF.

Bet they won't be allowed to play at the 2026 WJC's, either.

 

[Old Man Jags]

Isn't much of the concern exaggerated? Canadians love playing ice hockey, they always will and they will therefore always have tons of players to choose from. They will be just fine. What happened in the past two years is statistically unusual but not that crazy. They lost both times in the last minute of the game, it could have gone the other way both times and had it done so, nobody would be asking "what is wrong with Canada". It's not really a trend. Come back and complain about a worrying trend if you have not medalled a single time in 17 years as happened to us Czechs. Now THAT was an unmistakable trend. This year Canada did not perform that well as a result of below-par coaching, not having all top players available, some bad luck and - I know this is something many Canadians cannot believe - the fact that the other teams also can play a little bit. Not such a big deal, Canada will still be favourites for gold next year.

 

[Cucumber]

If you look at the bigger picture something has to be said of the cost of hockey these days too. Also goalie development. I really don't see any Canadian goalies being all stars in the next 5-10 years. Hopefully someone comes up but ya that's an issue too

 

[wickedwitch]

Isn't much of the concern exaggerated? Canadians love playing ice hockey, they always will and they will therefore always have tons of players to choose from. They will be just fine. What happened in the past two years is statistically unusual but not that crazy. They lost both times in the last minute of the game, it could have gone the other way both times and had it done so, nobody would be asking "what is wrong with Canada". It's not really a trend. Come back and complain about a worrying trend if you have not medalled a single time in 17 years as happened to us Czechs. Now THAT was an unmistakable trend. This year Canada did not perform that well as a result of below-par coaching, not having all top players available, some bad luck and - I know this is something many Canadians cannot believe - the fact that the other teams also can play a little bit. Not such a big deal, Canada will still be favourites for gold next year.

But why were they vulnerable to losing in the last minute of the QFs?

I wrote earlier that the player selection and Cameron's strategy turned each game into a coin flip. A different team and a slightly more aggressive strategy could have made them a tougher opponent that was less reliant on luck. And the coaching and player choices are systematic issues.

 

[Razamanaz]

Robot Man.

Like a robot man in trance Canada keep repeat themselves over and over:

Bigger, better and badder than the rest of the (hockey-) World.

Way wrong attitude - me stinks ... eh, thinx.

Uhh, uuh, uhh I am a robot man I'm a loser ... as Scorpions would put it -75.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I can thnk of 2 Major issues...Canada doesn't produce many great D-men anyone and fewer and fewer Goaltenders...when's the last time a Canadian goaltender was drafted in the 1st round of the draft...Marc Andre Fleury(2004)?Carey Price(2005) and Jonathan Bernier 2006...That's it...it the fault of the Major Junior operators who seem to want to develop European talent over our our...WTF Don Cherry was right to some extent...plz don't say Sabastian Cossa cause he's not an NHL goalie yet and may never be...

Major Junior isn't an ideal path for goaltenders anyways. How many top 10 Vezina candidates regardless of where they are from played Major Junior?

 

[Razamanaz]

Isn't much of the concern exaggerated? Canadians love playing ice hockey, they always will and they will therefore always have tons of players to choose from. They will be just fine. What happened in the past two years is statistically unusual but not that crazy. They lost both times in the last minute of the game, it could have gone the other way both times and had it done so, nobody would be asking "what is wrong with Canada". It's not really a trend. Come back and complain about a worrying trend if you have not medalled a single time in 17 years as happened to us Czechs. Now THAT was an unmistakable trend. This year Canada did not perform that well as a result of below-par coaching, not having all top players available, some bad luck and - I know this is something many Canadians cannot believe - the fact that the other teams also can play a little bit. Not such a big deal, Canada will still be favourites for gold next year.

Canada for - easy - gold?!

When next year comes around. In Finnesota, USA, remember

Don't think so Canada. Finland will have a sayin' believe me. Over half of the Finland-troops that gave USA a real go ho (twice around, remember!) this year are back on track/ice in Twin Cities.

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[Razamanaz]

Whats wrong with Canada?​

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My answer will never change, too much fluoride in their drinking water​

... or Viagra!



USA ain't much better if ya Yanks even think so.