Listening to Cameron speak vs. David Carle is comical.
WJC: Whats wrong with Canada?
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Uhhhhhhhh that's a lot of fresh faces. The performance is kind of making sense now.
I don't really like saying this plainly as this when it is as harsh as it sounds. But some people teach a looooot better than they learn. It's not harsh, because I said it and I'm about the shittiest learner you'll ever find because they told me XYZ about me, when really it was the X I should have been concerned about.
It's simple, they're not the only team that knows how to play hockey anymore. Other countries, namely the USA, have completely caught up. And while Canada will remain a power in any international hockey competition. They're not the undisputed top dog anymore.
It's good to see. Canadians might freak out about that. But it's good for the game is a whole.
It's good to see. Canadians might freak out about that. But it's good for the game is a whole.
toddkaz
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Canada's best 18 and 19 year olds play in the NHL.
USA, Finland, Sweden and others their 18 and 19 year olds are still learning how to play in lower leagues.
You think about it guys like Benson, Celebrini, Bedard were eligible for the WJC.
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Lol, so what happened in '13 and '21 when both countries had access to all their players? Canada got beat by the US both times. Quit whining and admit Canada even with the 3 you mentioned could still lose to the US.
They’re living in a delusional world where Canada is a big fish in a small pond. The world is catching up. And the US has already caught up. They’re having trouble coping with that
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Hockey Canada is taking a real shit kicking in this thread, even though the WJC coaching staff are from the CHL and nearly all the players are, too.
Hockey Canada is not the governing body of the CHL. The two groups cooperate in international hockey endeavours because doing so makes them both money. But let’s be honest: the players are CHL products developed in any of 60 junior hockey markets.
Blame for the failure of the WJC teams of late is partly Hockey Canada’s fault, but it’s largely the fault of the Canadian Hockey League. I say this as someone who has absolutely no love for Hockey Canada, but I’m not going to blame them completely for this debacle.
Hockey Canada is not the governing body of the CHL. The two groups cooperate in international hockey endeavours because doing so makes them both money. But let’s be honest: the players are CHL products developed in any of 60 junior hockey markets.
Blame for the failure of the WJC teams of late is partly Hockey Canada’s fault, but it’s largely the fault of the Canadian Hockey League. I say this as someone who has absolutely no love for Hockey Canada, but I’m not going to blame them completely for this debacle.
When I was in College the drafts were birth years 1954-57. The '74 draft produced
the initial US 1st round selection in Rick Chartraw (8th). Mark Howe was an underage draft eligible who went 25th but was at least a top 7 pick for players born in '55
They were the only TWO USA players picked in the 1st Round of the four drafts.
If you looked at the players from the 74-77 drafts you would have had several USA players at D+3 thru D+6 who legitimately been selected in the 17 1st Round picks.
1974 - Rick Chartraw - Gary Sargent - Mark Howe
1975 - Mike O'Connell - Paul Holmgren
1976 - Reed Larson - Tom Rowe - Mike Fidler
1977 - Rod Langway - Joe Mullen - Mark Johnson - Gordon Roberts
Its obvious the USA was producing top 6F and top 4D going on 50 years ago.
Three of them went into HoF in Howe, Langway & Mullen.
toddkaz
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What? It's 2 times in 2 years both had all their players available and the US has won Gold from 2013 on 6 times in 13 years.
BTW I am not saying the US is better but Canada has to play & manage well to win and aren't guaranteed winning if they do.
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From the perspective of a ducks fan...
I don't know how they could look at their roster and go "yeah we have 12 or 13 forwards better than Beckett" the rest of the world is getting better you can't be this arrogant about building a team
Look at these players they left off and ask yourself would they clearly be a better team with like 4 or 5 clearly bad omissions
I don't know how they could look at their roster and go "yeah we have 12 or 13 forwards better than Beckett" the rest of the world is getting better you can't be this arrogant about building a team
Look at these players they left off and ask yourself would they clearly be a better team with like 4 or 5 clearly bad omissions
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Canada always has depth that, we can always say "oh we left out this and that good player" it's normal. We have the depth. But this roster selection is questionable, like very very questionable again, on top of the ice time allocation is also questionable. You and I are wondering how there are 13 guys better than Beckett. I'm also wondering how does a Cowan kid have more ice time than any other forward. Also from a Canadian perspective it seems like he favored OHlers over the other leauges, for example Iginla doesn't make the team.
I think their equal. but facts are facts. CHL does play more games,.
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To me that shows that Canadians are a bit overscouted and overrated in the draft. If the percentage of Canadians being drafted early is remaining constant but the % of NHLers that are Canadian is dropping every year it means the scouts are getting it wrong.
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You can't go into these tournaments half-assed nowadays. Even a country like Latvia can knock you off your pedestal if you don't take the game seriously.
Maybe the blowout win against Finland was the worst thing that could happen to Canada in this tournament, because they thought every subsequent game would be as easy.
Maybe the blowout win against Finland was the worst thing that could happen to Canada in this tournament, because they thought every subsequent game would be as easy.
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well to start they let dave cameron back in the ctc, didnt go well the first time so not sure why anyone thought it would be different
then the entire roster selection group left 6-7 of their most talented players at home because they wanted to big brain it and thought they were the smartest ones out there. As someone who saw their gm do this time and again it never works lol
theres no way to know if a proper roster would have led canada to a better outcome but it would have led to more offense and given canada a proper fighting chance
then the entire roster selection group left 6-7 of their most talented players at home because they wanted to big brain it and thought they were the smartest ones out there. As someone who saw their gm do this time and again it never works lol
theres no way to know if a proper roster would have led canada to a better outcome but it would have led to more offense and given canada a proper fighting chance
Leaving 4 top 10 draft picks off the roster was a mistake. Start taking the best players not building a team. These are amateur teenagers not NHLers or professional hockey players.
I also think goalies should have to declare before U-11, full ice should start for the 2nd half of the U-9 season, too much system coaching rather than skill coaching and more ice time for younger age groups, 2-3 ice times a week isn't cutting it.
I also think goalies should have to declare before U-11, full ice should start for the 2nd half of the U-9 season, too much system coaching rather than skill coaching and more ice time for younger age groups, 2-3 ice times a week isn't cutting it.
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Looking forward to the outrage when/if they lose the next 4 tournaments in February (pros) April (u18) May (WHC) and next Christmas (u20) with the NHL Olympics in 2026... it's not going to be pretty around here.
good to remember that Hockey Canada is not really in the winning tournaments business. They are in the making money business. So, until they see their bottom line being impacted by losing tournaments, they'll just keep on keeping on.
good to remember that Hockey Canada is not really in the winning tournaments business. They are in the making money business. So, until they see their bottom line being impacted by losing tournaments, they'll just keep on keeping on.
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That is plateauing though, 42.9 % of Games Played in 2019-20 and 42.2 % of Games Played in 2024-25.
1969-70 -> 1978-79: 96.6 % -> 85.2 % (-11.4%)
1979-80 -> 1988-89: 83.7 % -> 75.6 % (-8.1%)
1989-90 -> 1998-99: 73.2 % -> 58.4 % (-14.8%)
1999-00 -> 2008-09: 54.1 % -> 51.4 % (-2.7%)
2009-10 -> 2018-19: 52.6 -> 43.6 % (-9%)
Based on NHL Draft numbers, probably expect beginning of 2020s and end of 2020s decade to look similar. Huge drops in the 70s (first American boom.. expansion played a large role here, as direct sponsorship was replaced entirely by a draft, and rise of a WHA that was more "creative" of finding players from the non-traditional junior path which would trickle over to NHL as well), 90s (iron curtain falls, big European boom in general) and 2010s (second American boom).
Maybe one day we see a third American boom, probably nothing more than continued small margin growth at best for the non-trad countries. But effects of that wouldn't be felt for a while, not anyone that would currently be on NHL draft horizon.
Looks like I was a bit generous there, and the drip is slower. It feels like it will be 13 or 14 or 34/36 soon. I just think the number of elite American players will rise, and it will be easier and cheaper to develop good hockey players in the United States.
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Boucher: Et si Équipe Canada avait fait les choses dans le mauvais ordre? | LNH.com
Notre chroniqueur décortique ce qui a mené à l’élimination hâtive de l’unifolié au Mondial junior
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For any francophone poster interested, former Drummondville GM Phillipe Boucher points out something that a lot of us have been saying; pick the best players, they can adjust to roles. Says Salmond’s philosophy was wrong. Form the identity of the team around the best players available, don’t take worse players to fit the identity of the team. Says that based on his experience with American NTDP coaches that they get the best out of their groups by favouring talent above all else
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Hockey Canada punishes players that don’t play in the chl when it comes to picking them for teams. They hold grudges against players who choose the ncaa.
They’ve even the in past used threats against senior players skipping the world championships that it may impact their Olympic chances.
