WJC: Whats wrong with Canada?

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Some of their best players play in the NHL. Another reason I am against more teams than 32.

Who knows how many of them would have made it.

 

[Double Dion]

It helps if you pick at least 1 or 2 of the top 10 defensemen in the age group.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Lmao exactly why I wanted a handful of better players that could adapt.

It's like you're making my point for me.

The team wasn't good and better players were available. The players we did pick weren't good. We agree there.

You have no idea what those players would have done. May have delivered nothing more than anyone else.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Missing the Semifinals in back to back years is particularly bad given Russia's absence, as that is a team that made the Semifinals 22/26 years (85 %) since the knockout stage was added... so you're missing one of the teams you'd typically expect to be there, making it theoretically easier to reach the Semis.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Further, the 1980 US Olympic Team was a group that managed to
overcome missing players from their peer pool (Langway, Mullen, Roberts, Dunn, Gorence, Nilan and Baker) and beat Czechoslovakia and the Soviets and won Gold.

Quit whining about missing players. This isn't the 1960s Internationally anymore, deal with reality.

I'm a US fan, but can easily see a Euro Final. These teams are within reason capable of beating each other.

Lol, listing players that weren’t eligible to play in the Olympics.
Let alone going back 45 years, and for a totally different tournament

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Missing the Semifinals in back to back years is particularly bad given Russia's absence, as that is a team that made the Semifinals 22/26 years (85 %) since the knockout stage was added... so you're missing one of the teams you'd typically expect to be there, making it theoretically easier to reach the Semis.

Yeah the rise of the Czechs has almost exactly lined up with the exit of the Russians. It is great for the tournament because if we were still getting the Czechs from 10-15 years ago this tournament would be getting boring. If the Czechs can carry this on makes you wonder what the landscape of the tournament would be in a world Russia ever gets added back. The quarters would be even more of a blood bath.

 

[End on a Hinote]

I'm so tired of Canadian fans whining that we didn't have our best players. It's literally the excuse we are known for and it's so annoying.

We've gone from "We can win gold with our C team LOL!" (And actually having the stats to back it up!) to THIS.

Sure every country has its share of lame excuses. Euros (especially Swedes) like to blame pro-Canadian officiating conspiracies, and Americans like to set the bar lower for themselves as to what makes them a superior hockey nation. But we should not sink to this level.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Yeah the rise of the Czechs has almost exactly lined up with the exit of the Russians. It is great for the tournament because if we were still getting the Czechs from 10-15 years ago this tournament would be getting boring. If the Czechs can carry this on makes you wonder what the landscape of the tournament would be in a world Russia ever gets added back. The quarters would be even more of a blood bath.

Yeah basically you’ll get two very competitive QF instead of one and a Latvia/Switzerland gets pushed down out of it, meaning a team like Slovakia is often a fourth place finisher making for a more tricky matchup for a first place finisher.

 

[Quinning]

Politics, favoritism, cronyism.

 

[bossram]

Politics, favoritism, cronyism, fraud, arrogance

Added a couple for you. But agreed. These are the guiding principles of HC. A disgusting and pathetic organization.

 

[Garo]

I'm so tired of Canadian fans whining that we didn't have our best players. It's literally the excuse we are known for and it's so annoying.

We've gone from "We can win gold with our C team LOL!" (And actually having the stats to back it up!) to THIS.

Sure every country has its share of lame excuses. Euros (especially Swedes) like to blame pro-Canadian officiating conspiracies, and Americans like to set the bar lower for themselves as to what makes them a superior hockey nation. But we should not sink to this level.

Feels like there is a little bit of difference between "If these two NHL players were in we won!!!!!" and criticizing a selection on some empirical grounds, no?

If we don't want to sink, that would be a good thing to acknowledge.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I'm so tired of Canadian fans whining that we didn't have our best players. It's literally the excuse we are known for and it's so annoying.

We've gone from "We can win gold with our C team LOL!" (And actually having the stats to back it up!) to THIS.

Sure every country has its share of lame excuses. Euros (especially Swedes) like to blame pro-Canadian officiating conspiracies, and Americans like to set the bar lower for themselves as to what makes them a superior hockey nation. But we should not sink to this level.

Ya I would never complain about players in the NHL not being released.
But complaining on non NHL selections made, is fair game.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I'm so tired of Canadian fans whining that we didn't have our best players. It's literally the excuse we are known for and it's so annoying.

We've gone from "We can win gold with our C team LOL!" (And actually having the stats to back it up!) to THIS.

Sure every country has its share of lame excuses. Euros (especially Swedes) like to blame pro-Canadian officiating conspiracies, and Americans like to set the bar lower for themselves as to what makes them a superior hockey nation. But we should not sink to this level.

It's a legitimate reason this time around.

People were talking about it as soon as the camp selections were made. It's one thing to make excuses after you lose but this was obvious from day one.

4-5 of their best players didn't even get invited to camp. That's disgraceful.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

1. Terrible roster selection
2. Terrible coaching
3. The hockey world has caught up

 

[majormajor]

People are going on and on about not bringing their best players, but look at who they did bring. Ritchie, Catton, McKenna, etc... they brought many of the most electric offensive prospects in the world. And they just didn't score. I think if you put Andrew Cristall on this team it might be the same result for him, 5 GP and maybe 1 pt. We don't know, but this feels more systemic when you look at the results for the top guys they brought.

I personally would have brought all of Yakemchuk, Parekh, MIsa, Sennecke, etc... to camp and looked really hard at bringing more of them. And there's no way I leave Yakemchuk off the team.

 

[Golden_Jet]

People are going on and on about not bringing their best players, but look at who they did bring. Ritchie, Catton, McKenna, etc... they brought many of the most electric offensive prospects in the world. And they just didn't score. I think if you put Andrew Cristall on this team it might be the same result for him, 5 GP and maybe 1 pt. We don't know, but this feels more systemic when you look at the results for the top guys they brought.

I personally would have brought all of Yakemchuk, Parekh, MIsa, Sennecke, etc... to camp and looked really hard at bringing more of them. And there's no way I leave Yakemchuk off the team.

Ya not even giving those star players invites to camp, just to try and make the team, is embarrassing for the management group.

Instead they outsmarted themselves and chose about 7 players to fill roles in the bottom 6. McKenna made the team as the 13th forward.

 

[Jordan Belfort]

You have no idea what those players would have done. May have delivered nothing more than anyone else.

That’s a terrible argument. You pick the best players and win or lose with them. What you’re saying is just a fact of life, you never know what will happen. But that doesn’t mean you take worse players lol

 

[Eternal Leaf]

People are going on and on about not bringing their best players, but look at who they did bring. Ritchie, Catton, McKenna, etc... they brought many of the most electric offensive prospects in the world. And they just didn't score. I think if you put Andrew Cristall on this team it might be the same result for him, 5 GP and maybe 1 pt. We don't know, but this feels more systemic when you look at the results for the top guys they brought.

I personally would have brought all of Yakemchuk, Parekh, MIsa, Sennecke, etc... to camp and looked really hard at bringing more of them. And there's no way I leave Yakemchuk off the team.

Definitely coaching issues ruined the team they did pick.

A legitimate point can be made that even if those left-out prospects were picked, Cameron would have lost with them too.

I think the additional star prospects would have helped Cameron make adjustments if someone in the top 6 wasn't working. He would have given himself more options with a few of Sennecke, Misa, Cristall, Wood, Hage, Lardis, etc. on the team but instead they locked themselves in with no way out. Same goes for the defense with Yakemchuk and/or Parekh.

It was a massive blunder on their part and somehow they're refusing to accept it too. The only solution now is to clear out the entire group and start again.

 

[stinger94]

Off the top of my head (might have some wings/ handedness wrong), not including injured guys like iginla and lidstrom

Cristall - Hage - greentree
Basha - Misa - sennecke
Parascak - heidt - wood
Vanacker - Boisvert - lardis
Sam O Reilly

Yakemchuk - Parekh
DuPont - Allen
Morin - Mews
Konnor Smith or Danford

Ravensbergen
Leenders

I’d argue this team has more offensive talent and could easily compete with what they chose to roster. Even less excuses next year where comparatively Canadas talent pool should be even stronger .

 

[majormajor]

Off the top of my head (might have some wings/ handedness wrong), not including injured guys like iginla and lidstrom

Speaking of Tij Iginla and Cayden Lindstrom, I think they were more missed than Sennecke, Cristall, and Misa, those three having qualities that are largely already represented on the team. There were plenty of guys on the team that do things that Sennecke, Cristall, and Misa do. And maybe they should have had more of that, but people are going on like Mckenna, Catton, and Ritchie can't do that stuff. What they can't do is some of what Tij Iginla and Cayden Lindstrom can do.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I HATE hearing the bullshit excuses the HNIC panel gave about the Canadian team. "A lot of pressure". "Other countries have caught up". What the hell are you talking about? This is Canada! Sure hockey development has caught up in other places, but no other country in the world has the sense of pride towards hockey like Canada does. No other place has the passion for hockey. Hockey has almost a religious relationship with Canada, it's apart of their identity and tradition. You don't think that will always give them an edge over the competition?

The problem is we're not tapping into that pride enough. Did this look like a determined team playing with pride? Hell no. The USA team has a Gaudreau jersey hanging in their locker room. That's what pride looks like. Hockey Canada has to get their heads out of their asses, and stop just accepting other countries catching up. That's horseshit, this sport belongs to Canada, and they should be wanting to hold onto it with their lives.

 

[leeroggy]

After reading about all this whining about Hockey Canada, has there been full closure yet on the investigation into the players who were charged with the alleged rape of the drunk woman? Is that still open and ongoing?

 

[jbeck5]

You have no idea what those players would have done. May have delivered nothing more than anyone else.

I wanted to go with better players that were available because it would give us greater odds...

Not sure why you're arguing lol

It's like a sens fan saying they would rather dress stutzle as the number 1 center in their lineup than Pinto... And then some non sens fan argues that it doesn't matter or you don't know if stutzle would perform better than Pinto...or how the Calgary flames won a game in 2003 against the president's trophy winning senators despite not having iginla dressed...therefore Ottawa fans should be ok with pinto instead of stutzle.

It makes no sense. I'm not sure why you're trying to argue with sens fans that they would rather pinto over stutzle or with Canada fans that they would have rather picked better players that were available.

 

[bobber]

I'm so tired of Canadian fans whining that we didn't have our best players. It's literally the excuse we are known for and it's so annoying.

We've gone from "We can win gold with our C team LOL!" (And actually having the stats to back it up!) to THIS.

Sure every country has its share of lame excuses. Euros (especially Swedes) like to blame pro-Canadian officiating conspiracies, and Americans like to set the bar lower for themselves as to what makes them a superior hockey nation. But we should not sink to this level.

Canada had there C team this tourney and proved we can't compete. Cowan was our leading scorer with 3 points and played 80 % of the time. Bedard in comparison had 23 points.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Has taking a bunch of roleplayers ever worked for Canada?