What's Up With Verhaeghe?

[Goptor]

This isn't true. Nobody gets anything on the PP/PK. You need to look at how the stats work better.

edit - sorry, you CAN get a minus if you give up a shorthanded goal or a + if you score shorthanded goal. That's it. I'm not sure if that's what you were saying or not, but there aren't a million shorthanded goals anyway to really make much a difference on the +/-.

That is what I've been saying.

The shorthanded goals add up over a season and it doubles up for guys who play on one side and not the other. Florida have already given up 5 SHG and scored 5 SHG so it could be up to a 10+/- spread between the defensive guys and offensive guys.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Guaranteed he’ll get back on track. Tkachuk isn’t his usual self either and Bob hasn’t been “Bob” to the level he can be either.

It’s November. Guys aren’t looking their usual selves and we’re still in 2nd place in the Division, not concerned even a little. But y’all go on ahead.

The division is shit. Not disparaging the Panthers, but yes, they are lucky to be in the Atlantic right now. Detroit, Ottawa, MTL, all towards the bottom. Boston at 17, Buffalo 16th in the league. Wednesday against Toronto, let’s see how we both stack up.

 

[OrangePMD]

That is what I've been saying.

The shorthanded goals add up over a season and it doubles up for guys who play on one side and not the other. Florida have already given up 5 SHG and scored 5 SHG so it could be up to a 10+/- spread between the defensive guys and offensive guys.

Verhaeghe has 5 SHG against, on 9 SOG against, for SH oisv% of .444 (I don't know if that includes any ENG's, don't care). That's probably all his fault, just like the .853 5 on 5 oisv%.

 

[wetcoast]

So you needed to use another stat to explain +/-

No I pointed out the ESGF/ESGA in responding to your post where you said this,

2nd in ENG allowed

Teams With The Most Empty Net Goals Allowed 2024-2025 | StatMuse

The Colorado Avalanche have given up the most empty-net goals by a team this season, with 10 allowed.

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1st in SHG allowed

Which Team Has Given Up The Most Short Handed Goals | StatMuse

The Florida Panthers have allowed the most shorthanded goals by a team this season, with 5 allowed.

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1st in SHG scored

NHL Team Most Short Handed Goals 2024-2025 | StatMuse

The Florida Panthers have scored the most shorthanded goals by a team this season, with 5 scored.

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The other guys are out there racking up +s on the PK while Verhaeghe isn't. Do we really need a stat that gives a really poor view of player usage when we already have the exact TOI numbers doing the same thing?

Which kind of inferred that the primary reason for the low +/- wasn't relevant.

What I pointed out was that at ES a lot of goals against were going in when he was on the ice and sure maybe some of it was bad luck.

Either way I'll stand by my original foray into this discussion which was that he is a right time right place type of guy and those types of players often can drop off quicker that more skilled play drivers who peak earlier and are less reliant on linemates.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Sam Bennett is probably dealing with some kind of lower body issue... he's losing his skates far more often than usual. Think he got dinged up in Finland.

It's killing the Panthers' second line.