What's everybody's opinion on the 2027 TDL (We are in a Pickle)

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I'm curious everbody's opinion on what we do at the next TDL. It's obviously too early to tell, but we can hypothetically discuss the elephant in the room and that is Mcdavid. If we fast forward to next offseason and he won't sign is he traded? Or do we just go for it in 2027-2028?

The reason for this thread and what I'm curious about is there is no discussion regarding next years TDL. Why is that important? If we end up trading a 1st round pick at the deadline it will be a 2028 1st and there will be a chance Davo is not on the team in 2028. If he's not can we really afford to not have our 1st round pick? This seems like a tricky situation.

In hindsight trading a future first to draft SOR (then trading him for Howard) "Might" end up being another JJ/Bowman blunder in the sense that we essentially traded our future 1st round pick every year...

Are we not stuck now? Don't we need to keep our 1st round pick at the deadline? Do we trade Howard instead? Do we not add at the deadline?

I don't really have an opinion on this so I'm curious what everyone thinks and I'm surprised we aren't talking about this more. It seems we are in a pickle.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

They don't really have a need that should cost a 1st at the deadline. That was also true this past deadline, but Stan's gotta Stan.

The 1st for SOR for Howard chain also doesn't really impact this. Even without those trades you'd still just be holding a single young high-end prospect.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

They don't really have a need that should cost a 1st at the deadline. That was also true this past deadline, but Stan's gotta Stan.

The 1st for SOR for Howard chain also doesn't really impact this. Even without those trades you'd still just be holding a single young high-end prospect.

Good point in that the Dickenson, Murphy trade dug us in a deeper hole. Maybe we should have held onto that 1st because of this issue and how the season was going.

We can circle that back to the signing of the Pony.

 

[McFlash97]

If we are not in a good position by next trade deadline. Fire the entire staff. Top to bottom. Coach included. Fire Nicholson, Fire every turd involved in ruining McDavids Oiler legacy. Might as well sell the team, because Katz would become the most hated owner in hockey.

Trade McDavid to a middle of a pack team trying to get in, acquire the next 3 1st round picks and 2 upcoming young players who have very good upside and begin shopping Draisaitl to a non playoff team in hopes of getting a lottery pick.
Shop Bouchard, get more first rounders.

Acquire as much 1st rounders you can get within a 2 to 3 year period. Bring in Todd Nelson. Develop properly and fast.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Good point in that the Dickenson, Murphy trade dug us in a deeper hole. Maybe we should have held onto that 1st because of this issue and how the season was going.

We can circle that back to the signing of the Pony.

Murphy was a need and a 2nd was a good deal for him at 50%.

Dickinson though... I liked him, but a 1st for a PK'ing 3rd liner was steep. Especially when you saw RNH jump to centre and hold his own. (if not look better there, away from McDavid.


There's hindsight with seeing Savoie's and Samanski's breakouts, but this team wouldn't have been worse off upfront running...

Savoie-McDavid-Hyman
Podz-Drai-Kap
Samanski-RNH-Roslovic
Jones-Lazar-Fred
Maggie

The cap could have been a concern, but I think you could have stashed Rico on LTIR until the playoffs, or found another hangnail somewhere in the locker room.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Murphy was a need and a 2nd was a good deal for him at 50%.

Dickinson though... I liked him, but a 1st for a PK'ing 3rd liner was steep. Especially when you saw RNH jump to centre and hold his own. (if not look better there, away from McDavid.


There's hindsight with seeing Savoie's and Samanski's breakouts, but this team wouldn't have been worse off upfront running...

Savoie-McDavid-Hyman
Podz-Drai-Kap
Samanski-RNH-Roslovic
Jones-Lazar-Fred
Maggie

The cap could have been a concern, but I think you could have stashed Rico on LTIR until the playoffs, or found another hangnail somewhere in the locker room.

Now that we did trade a 1st for Dickenson I would like to see people's thoughts on wtf we do at this years deadline. I'm confused why this is not a bigger conversation piece. Trading the 2028 1st? Yikes

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

If we are not in a good position by next trade deadline. Fire the entire staff. Top to bottom. Coach included. Fire Nicholson, Fire every turd involved in ruining McDavids Oiler legacy. Might as well sell the team, because Katz would become the most hated owner in hockey.

Trade McDavid to a middle of a pack team trying to get in, acquire the next 3 1st round picks and 2 upcoming young players who have very good upside and begin shopping Draisaitl to a non playoff team in hopes of getting a lottery pick.
Shop Bouchard, get more first rounders.

Acquire as much 1st rounders you can get within a 2 to 3 year period. Bring in Todd Nelson. Develop properly and fast.

And if we are in a good spot (we will be) then what? Trade Howard? Trade the 2028 1st without a commitment from Davo? This is the team's biggest hurdle right now and it's all because we traded up to draft SOR who is no longer on this team.

 

[Soundwave]

It's a fair question. I would guess they trade the pick but add protection so they can defer it to the following year(s) or something, but if you're into a full rebuild, that's probably not great either lol.

 

[McFlash97]

And if we are in a good spot (we will be) then what? Trade Howard? Trade the 2028 1st without a commitment from Davo? This is the team's biggest hurdle right now and it's all because we traded up to draft SOR who is no longer on this team.

Doesnt matter. If McDavid leaves we are done for for a few years anyways. Mortgage the picks. We will never be in this position again for the rest of our lives. There isnt another McDavid or Draisaitl waiting for us on the horizon. Drafting these 2 is one in a million type stuff. We somehow lucked into them.

 

[Stealth1616]

If we are not in a good position by next trade deadline. Fire the entire staff. Top to bottom. Coach included. Fire Nicholson, Fire every turd involved in ruining McDavids Oiler legacy. Might as well sell the team, because Katz would become the most hated owner in hockey.

Trade McDavid to a middle of a pack team trying to get in, acquire the next 3 1st round picks and 2 upcoming young players who have very good upside and begin shopping Draisaitl to a non playoff team in hopes of getting a lottery pick.
Shop Bouchard, get more first rounders.

Acquire as much 1st rounders you can get within a 2 to 3 year period. Bring in Todd Nelson. Develop properly and fast.

It would be interesting to see what a post McDavid Oilers would mean for revenues and such. After years of ticket increases and long playoffs runs - can’t imagine people wanting to pay those prices to support this team.

Would be an absolute historical decline in value for this franchise

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Now that we did trade a 1st for Dickenson I would like to see people's thoughts on wtf we do at this years deadline. I'm confused why this is not a bigger conversation piece. Trading the 2028 1st? Yikes

The question is what are the needs at the deadline? One that won't be addressed by free agency?

Looking at the current holes: 1G, 2RD, top 6 wing, 3rd line C/W, 4th line wing...


Re-signing Ingram is an easy way to stabilise goaltending. Yes, you want an upgrade, but Ingram showed this year he can deliver league average. He shouldn't cost much and keeping him stops teams from having you by the short hairs when it comes to talking goalie.

At the moment Murphy seems like a safe(r) bet to be back, so that could/should round out the defence. Well, before we see what happens with Nurse...

Up front Howard is going to push for a top 6 spot and should be given the chance. It sounds like Kap would like to come back, though a PK'ing 3rd liner shouldn't cost much if he prices himself out; Same with a high-energy 4th line winger.

Imo this is your *starting* baseline.

Leaves you with 5 to 6 mil depending on re-signing prices and if you bury Janmark. Plus whatever happens with Nurse.
Overall that's enough to find an upgrade on Howard in the top 6 (McMann?), or on Kapanen and/or Clattenburg in the bottom 6 (Dickinson and Jones/Kane?)


Overall I don't see a hole that's demanding 1st round value to fix it.

 

[rboomercat90]

Good point in that the Dickenson, Murphy trade dug us in a deeper hole. Maybe we should have held onto that 1st because of this issue and how the season was going.

We can circle that back to the signing of the Pony.

Would be nice to have that first round pick now to use to help move Nurse.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

The question is what are the needs at the deadline? One that won't be addressed by free agency?

Looking at the current holes: 1G, 2RD, top 6 wing, 3rd line C/W, 4th line wing...


Re-signing Ingram is an easy way to stabilise goaltending. Yes, you want an upgrade, but Ingram showed this year he can deliver league average. He shouldn't cost much and keeping him stops teams from having you by the short hairs when it comes to talking goalie.

At the moment Murphy seems like a safe(r) bet to be back, so that could/should round out the defence. Well, before we see what happens with Nurse...

Up front Howard is going to push for a top 6 spot and should be given the chance. It sounds like Kap would like to come back, though a PK'ing 3rd liner shouldn't cost much if he prices himself out; Same with a high-energy 4th line winger.

Imo this is your *starting* baseline.

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Leaves you with 5 to 6 mil depending on re-signing prices and if you bury Janmark. Plus whatever happens with Nurse.
Overall that's enough to find an upgrade on Howard in the top 6 (McMann?), or on Kapanen and/or Clattenburg in the bottom 6 (Dickinson and Jones/Kane?)


Overall I don't see a hole that's demanding 1st round value to fix it.

I think Murphy will easily get 4.5-5.5m on the open market, minimum.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I think Murphy will easily get 4.5-5.5m on the open market, minimum.

Very possible, but you can fit that extra money in.


Though the big wrench with all this is, if you're dealing Nurse, do you want Murphy back? Imo you need someone with Darnell's skating to pair with him; I don't think an Ekholm-Murphy or Walman-Murphy would be anywhere near as effective.

 

[DraiGuy29]

This team is cooked, very painful years for us oiler fans coming. Going to be harsh to see mcdavid win a cup in the states.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

It's a fair question. I would guess they trade the pick but add protection so they can defer it to the following year(s) or something, but if you're into a full rebuild, that's probably not great either lol.

Exactly! Hence why we are in a bigger pickle than people think.

I'd trade Howard

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Would be nice to have that first round pick now to use to help move Nurse.

Can we really afford to move a top 3 pick though? We need commitment from Davo

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Very possible, but you can fit that extra money in.


Though the big wrench with all this is, if you're dealing Nurse, do you want Murphy back? Imo you need someone with Darnell's skating to pair with him; I don't think an Ekholm-Murphy or Walman-Murphy would be anywhere near as effective.

I think if anything I'd want Murphy even more if we move Nurse. I think it's easier to find a dman to match Nurse's skillset than Murphy's in today's NHL.

 

[ManByng]

Savoie-McDavid-Hyman
Podz-Drai-Kap
Samanski-RNH-Roslovic
Jones-Lazar-Fred
Maggie

^^^I don't see a championship forward group here ! Oilers need to get more aggressive and get another scoring forward, deal with the Nurse situation and add another defensive d-man, and solve the goaltending issue and I'm not sure how they're gonna pull all this off, whether it's monetarily or having enough hockey knowledge to do it ?

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Doesnt matter. If McDavid leaves we are done for for a few years anyways. Mortgage the picks. We will never be in this position again for the rest of our lives. There isnt another McDavid or Draisaitl waiting for us on the horizon. Drafting these 2 is one in a million type stuff. We somehow lucked into them.

This is sadly so very true. We were blessed to have Draisaitl fly under the radar and only go 3rd overall, and absolutely blessed to win the McDavid lotto. These players are so rare.

It’d be nice if a good team won the lotto next season, because if we had to trade McDavid I do think DuPont might be generational. He wouldn’t accept a trade to some total bottom feeder.

Anyway as far as next TDL we’ll have to make some move if we’re in a playoff position, most likely moving out prospects to fill a need.

I really didn’t want us to trade our 1st this past TDL.. there was a while where I thought we might have a shot at the lotto, seemed crazy but the Leafs just won it. This just wasn’t our year it was so obvious, Bowman felt pressure and forced it, yet another mistake.

 

[barry halls]

They shouldn’t need a big move at the deadline, you build your team in the offseason. Look how things turned out for Colorado.

Carolina was widely panned as a loser at this past deadline. The Knights big add was Nic Dowd, and they didn’t have to trade a 1st for him.

Bowman is pretty much on the clock to build the roster for McDavid’s final season between now and the week after free agency when everyone leaves to the cottage.

 

[McDoused]

In my opinion the oilers have 4 holes. They need a top 6 forward, a 3rd line center, a top 4RHD and a 1B goaltender.

We have a limited number of assets. Realistically we can look to trade for a couple of needs but we just dont have the capital to do it all via trade.

This team has to get better from free agents (both America and Europe). It also needs to develop internally. The problem with free agency is that you have to overpay guys to get them and we dont have the cap space to overpay.

Realistically, if you can get away from that Nurse contract, your giving yourself 9.25M where you can plug a couple holes. Walman would be elevated up and now your creating a 5th hole.

However, you now have 23.75M in cap space. Even if Dickinson and Murphy are 5M each that plugs two holes right away and you still have 13.75M for the final 3 holes.

This gives the Oilers flexibility if they want to get the best forward on the market in Tuch and then sign/trade the final 2 pieces. Or if they want to get 2 lesser depth plays instead (like a McMann and Shea). If you strike out, you can move out your assets for a Kyrou or a Tippett.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

In my opinion the oilers have 4 holes. They need a top 6 forward, a 3rd line center, a top 4RHD and a 1B goaltender.

We have a limited number of assets. Realistically we can look to trade for a couple of needs but we just dont have the capital to do it all via trade.

This team has to get better from free agents (both America and Europe). It also needs to develop internally. The problem with free agency is that you have to overpay guys to get them and we dont have the cap space to overpay.

Realistically, if you can get away from that Nurse contract, your giving yourself 9.25M where you can plug a couple holes. Walman would be elevated up and now your creating a 5th hole.

However, you now have 23.75M in cap space. Even if Dickinson and Murphy are 5M each that plugs two holes right away and you still have 13.75M for the final 3 holes.

This gives the Oilers flexibility if they want to get the best forward on the market in Tuch and then sign/trade the final 2 pieces. Or if they want to get 2 lesser depth plays instead (like a McMann and Shea). If you strike out, you can move out your assets for a Kyrou or a Tippett.

I mean you nailed it and the Nurse money will make this possible, but what you and others did not touch on (main point of this thread) was: wtf do we do with the 2028 1st round pick?

Without a commitment from Davo how do we trade it?

 

[McFlash97]

Bobrovsky around 4 million or Binnington @ 6

Trade Jarry plus retention @ 1.5 mill plus Beryozkins rights to a tanking team. Throw in a 3rd. End if need be. Get rid of him.

Find a taker for Nurse retain 1.5 million if need be, if someone takes the full cap next year's 1st

Howard, Walman retained 2 million, plus 2nd next year for Owen Tippet

Resign Murphy for 4 million

Sign Oliver Bjorkstrand 3 to 4 million

Sign Bobby McMann ~ 5 million

Let Dickinson walk

Inquire about Colton Parayko and what would it take to get him here. With about 6 million on the cap go after him and

If possible retain 1.5 million and try to pawn Frederic off


All these in no order


In

Murphy
Parayko
Bobrovsky or Binnington
Bjorkstrand
McMann

Out

1st
2nd
Nurse
Walman
Dickinson
Frederic if possible.

This makes the Oilers instant contenders again. Hard to play against. Fast as f*** and less mistakes out of thier zone

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Bobrovsky around 4 million or Binnington @ 6

Trade Jarry plus retention @ 1.5 mill plus Beryozkins rights to a tanking team. Throw in a 3rd. End if need be. Get rid of him.

Find a taker for Nurse retain 1.5 million if need be, if someone takes the full cap next year's 1st

Howard, Walman retained 2 million, plus 2nd next year for Owen Tippet

Resign Murphy for 4 million

Sign Oliver Bjorkstrand 3 to 4 million

Sign Bobby McMann ~ 5 million

Let Dickinson walk

Inquire about Colton Parayko and what would it take to get him here. With about 6 million on the cap go after him and

If possible retain 1.5 million and try to pawn Frederic off


All these in no order


In

Murphy
Parayko
Bobrovsky or Binnington
Bjorkstrand
McMann

Out

1st
2nd
Nurse
Walman
Dickinson
Frederic if possible.

This makes the Oilers instant contenders again. Hard to play against. Fast as f*** and less mistakes out of thier zone

But what do we to with our 1st round pick at the TDL!

This is not the rumor mill thread
LMAO