What's dumber in fighting?

[SnowblindNYR]

What's dumber? Fighting after a clean hit or staged fighting? I'd go with staged fighting because at least fighting after a clean hit is spur of the moment protecting a teammate. To me staged fighting is a complete sideshow there to justify guys' existence in a league that shouldn't be there. It has nothing to do with hockey. It's like going to watch a play and in the middle of it they do their taxes.

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[Moose Head]

I agree with the OP

 

[Kegs]

Violent hits need to be answered for when challenged

 

[Devilsfan2326]

Fight after a clean hit is perfectly fine and preferred if it was a big clean hit. Really doesn't matter if it was dirty or not, and it's not like they can tell as easily as we can from our living rooms, either. Guys who like to throw big hits need a deterrent, or they're just going to win the game for their team. Why let them get away with hits that could turn the tide of the match? Players should be encouraged to police the ice. It's what anyone would want from their teammates.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Players don't have instant replay and might not even get a good look at the hit in live action. If you see one of your guys down on the ice in pain I don't think it's crazy to want to stand up for them.

I agree that fights after a clean hit in principle are dumb, but they're very understandable.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Why not both?

 

[Hisch13r]

Easily staged fighting. Should be a misconduct and auto suspension.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Why not both?

I purposely didn't include a both option because I want to know what people think is dumber, both is a crutch.

 

[CanadienShark]

Staged is dumb. Fighting after a clean hit is at least (sort of) justifiable and understandable. Not every player clearly sees each hit and can process it in real time. They're coming to defend a teammate with emotions running high.

 

[BB79]

Staged fighting is right up there with diving/acting like you got shot out of a canon trying to sell a penalty to the ref

 

[bov]

Many hits are clean but can still be damaging, or the instigating player doesn't fully see it happen, plus it can swing the momentum of a game in an instant. So I don't blame someone for issuing a challenge, since the hitter can almost always decline the invitation and/or draw a penalty. The notion that guys "have to fight" after a clean hit is pretty much BS.

My fighting pet peeves are ill-timed bouts off an o-zone draw when your team gets possession and needs a goal but the guy squares off instead. At least wait to see if your team wins the draw and can generate a chance.

Also not a big fan of guys skating to center ice just for show when they square off inside the blueline.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Interesting that none of the neither is dumb people have commented.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Fighting after a clean hit is dumb, but at least you can make the case that

1) Sometimes it’s more about pushing back than about legality

2) You often can’t tell whether a hit was clean, just that your teammate is hurting

Staged fighting was totally pointless. A scourge on the game that was a big part of why fighting has mostly been removed. Thanks for nothing with that crap.

 

[SillyRabbit]

I'm okay with fights after a clean hit but I do think that the player seeking out the fight should be penalized (instigator).

So you get to respond to the hit but you give them a PP, because at the end of the day, the hit was clean.

Staged fights are stupid and just guys trying to justify their spot in the lineup. Got make some clean hits of your own instead.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You guys know what's sad? If you go to Social Media I bet most people still love staged fights.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Never understood why people have a problem with fighting after a clean hit. Why does it have to be dirty?

You guys know what's sad? If you go to Social Media I bet most people still love staged fights.

Lots of things can be acknowledged as dumb whilst still being loved. It's why reality TV has been thriving for decades

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

Violent hits need to be answered for when challenged

I agree, even if they're clean.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Fighting after a clean hit often results in your team being down a man.

So yeah that is by definition, dumb.

But yeah staged fights are also dumb. Doesn’t impact the game except for those two players not being available. So whichever team has the better player in a staged fight is losing more, and so that’s pretty dumb too.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Fighting after a clean hit often results in your team being down a man.

So yeah that is by definition, dumb.

Precisely. Agreed staged fights are dumb too, but 10/10 times you aren't putting your team down a man.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Staged fighting.

Teammates often don’t know right away if the hit is clean. Also, does it look good for team unity if Celebrini gets knocked into the next county with a hit that potentially injures him and then your reaction is to do nothing because the hit was clean? When you play for a team, you aren’t brutally honest. You have a bias towards your team. Same reason teams don’t trash the worst player on the team. They’ll sing their praises for intangibles and stuff like that. You lie to each other to make the team more of a unit.

 

[Albatros]

All fighting is dumb, should be eliminated from the game altogether.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Do people really not understand the point of staged fighting? It’s trying to create a momentum swing, by bringing your guys into the game and raising their emotions. Players aren’t robots, they have emotions and watching your guy go beat the wheels off your opponent can get them fired up and swing the momentum in their favour.

I’m not defending it at all, and much prefer when fights are spur of the moment reactions, but people saying it does nothing other than the player trying to justify them having a spot in the league are way off. A good portion of stages fights when they were more common were actually the coach asking the player to do it.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Do people really not understand the point of staged fighting? It’s trying to create a momentum swing, by bringing your guys into the game and raising their emotions. Players aren’t robots, they have emotions and watching your guy go beat the wheels off your opponent can get them fired up and swing the momentum in their favour.

I’m not defending it at all, and much prefer when fights are spur of the moment reactions, but people saying it does nothing other than the player trying to justify them having a spot in the league are way off. A good portion of stages fights when they were more common were actually the coach asking the player to do it.

This sounds like a take from 1995. But here's the thing other trying to convince someone of a deeply held belief and challenge the world view of it by saying that it's nonsense when it's probably ingrained for decades I will ask this. Both players are fighting and since it's staged there's no instigator and it's mutually agreed to. Wouldn't the momentum swing cancel each other out?

 

[NyQuil]

Staged is dumber.

Fighting after clean hits is dumb, but only if you have the benefit of an elevated spectator position or watching on TV.

When a team fails to immediately stand up for their player after a cheap shot, everyone is quick to point out how the players lack loyalty to one another and aren’t fully committed to the team.

But at game speed at ice level, it’s usually impossible to determine in the heat of the moment.

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

I miss the 80s and 90s. You take a cheap shot at a star player and the enforecer goes to the bench and pulls off your star and goes to town on him. SCumbags like Marchand are treated like the turtle and pummeled into submission.