What wrong with "Mitch'in" Marner?

[flyfysher]

He's soft. Plain and simple

POs are about physicality. Oddly enough, I was looking forward to seeing how Drouin would do in the POs before he got injured because he upped his defensive game this year and would finish his checks. So players can change if they want to.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Soft player who doesn't take any initiative on the ice. He was more interested in getting into verbal arguments with Nylander on the bench than being a leader. 3pts for him in the series is very disappointing. He was a complete non-factor in the series.

 

[The Expert]

How can you not understand

I think we're all asking you the same thing. The original comment was dumb, get over it.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I don’t get how Shanahan isn’t in his face every day, screaming about Yzerman. “Y’know who else was small and hurt? f***in Stevie Y, if you had 1/10th his intensity..” and so on.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I don’t get how Shanahan isn’t in his face every day, screaming about Yzerman. “Y’know who else was small and hurt? f***in Stevie Y, if you had 1/10th his intensity..” and so on.

That's not their culture , no yelling

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

That's not their culture , no yelling

There’s a difference between Babcock actually being a piece of shit, and giving a guy tough love when he needs it. Apparently f***in Nylander had to be that guy on the bench, I’m just wondering if that’s really not happening behind closed doors. It’s gotta be, but I also saw no indication that anyone said shit.

 

[BostonBruins11]

He's afraid of his own shadow

 

[SImpelton]

When he was younger, he wasn't bad in the playoffs.

He put up some points but also competed and it seemed like he would be fine with more experience.

But now it seems like he has some sort of a mental block and he doesn't look very noticeable out there.

To be honest, his skills seem to have diminished somewhat in general. He gets his assists but seems less dynamic and not as skillful with the puck or as good at driving the play offensively.

He's on a team that can't generate offense from the blueline. They've got a couple guys who are... kinda average, but the bloated cap hits for the forwards mean they can't spend on defense, so they kinda just have to take whatever they can get from the farm and the scrap heap.

Some forwards can thrive despite limited talent on defense, because they can create offense on their own. others require the blueliners that require the other team to take them seriously as offensive players, prevent the opposing team from collapsing on 1-2 key guys. I think Marner is the latter, he needs support to be at his best, good feed ins from the blue line, some physical backup, a timely pinch or two, and if the Leafs get that at all it's completely by accident.

 

[Kerberos]

Marner's entire career is built around hitting the 100 point plateau in the regular season.

Like the rest of the Leafs' "core four", regular season achievements are their Stanley Cup. Be prepared to see Marner celebrate some random goal next year like it's the biggest goal in hockey history.

 

[Chaos2k7]

How can you not understand that Slaf being a bit of a mystery box is part of the equation of the poll?

Take the regular season superstar that underachieves big time during the playoffs or take the 6'3 1st overall pick powerforward that hasn't played in the playoffs yet, but has all the attributes to be a good playoff performer.

The poll is really not hard to understand.

Because doing it and saying you should be able to do it, is the exact conundrum the Leafs find themselves in with Marner now. Except one is a somewhat proven commodity.

I see why you are excited for Slaf but it's too soon to be pumping tires without seeing actual results.

It's the same bullcrap Leafs fans pull out every summer to self confirm their hopes that every next season will be the one they finally break through.

Be better than that.

 

[Frosty415]

Matthews deserves heat.

69 goals, can't fight through a stomach bug and has an average game 7 once again

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Because doing it and saying you should be able to do it, is the exact conundrum the Leafs find themselves in with Marner now. Except one is a somewhat proven commodity.

I see why you are excited for Slaf but it's too soon to be pumping tires without seeing actual results.

It's the same bullcrap Leafs fans pull out every summer to self confirm their hopes that every next season will be the one they finally break through.

Be better than that.

With that logic, if given the choice between Jarnkrok and Celebrini for next regular season, you would take Jarnkrok? One is a proven commodity and the other is a complete mystery box...

 

[Chaos2k7]

With that logic, if given the choice between Jarnkrok and Celebrini for next regular season, you would take Jarnkrok? One is a proven commodity and the other is a complete mystery box...

Moving the goalposts won't do it, Marner is not Jarnkrok, and Slaf is not Celebrini, both have proven more than the latter examples.

But one has 50 games playoff experience, to 0. Marner for all his warts still produces at a higher level in the playoffs over his career than Slaf has ever done in the regular season.

Your desire to project success over the other is based upon nothing but speculation on your part, at this point.

 

[thaman8765678]

2-0 without Matthews

1-4 with Matthews

Yet Marner will continue getting the blame. Leafs fans are hilarious.

 

[Buck Naked]

2-0 without Matthews

1-4 with Matthews

Yet Marner will continue getting the blame. Leafs fans are hilarious.

Don't be like that. You're leaving out that Matthews tried! The effort alone was totally worth a contract of $13.25 million per year.

 

[Bruce Granville]

Don't be like that. You're leaving out that Matthews tried! The effort alone was totally worth a contract of $13.25 million per year.

Those 13 million are for the regular season.
The playoffs are for free…

 

[Buck Naked]

Those 13 million are for the regular season.
The playoffs are for free…

It shows..

 

[VainGretzky]

Matthews deserves heat.

69 goals, can't fight through a stomach bug and has an average game 7 once again

Ya funny how they single out Marner but no shade on Matthews Marner and Matthews both produce at the exact same rate in the playoffs, .87 PPG Nylander is even worse .80
when your team is built around those 3 players you would expect a lot more production from them . It's their core all of them are not good enough to lead a team to a championship the track record proves this

 

[Pavel10]

Matthews deserves heat.

69 goals, can't fight through a stomach bug and has an average game 7 once again

It's funny in a meaningless game 82 he took over the game taking 12 shots trying so hard for 70.

Where was that effort in the playoffs when it was all about the team?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Moving the goalposts won't do it, Marner is not Jarnkrok, and Slaf is not Celebrini, both have proven more than the latter examples.

But one has 50 games playoff experience, to 0. Marner for all his warts still produces at a higher level in the playoffs over his career than Slaf has ever done in the regular season.

Your desire to project success over the other is based upon nothing but speculation on your part, at this point.

Marner plays like a Jarnkrok player level in the playoffs, and Celebrini is absolutely not more proven than Slaf.

Marner is still going to produce assists playing the huge minute he does with the great offensive players he plays with. It hasn't helped his goalscoring though. He has 6 goals in his last 43 playoff games. Those are brutal numbers. Nylander scored half of that amount in just 4 games in these series.

Add to it the fact that Marner is soft, doesn't take hits to make plays, loses many puck battles, and hasn't been good defensively...

Even if Slaf were to not produce as many points as Marner, his impact on the ice would be far greater because he's physical, is a beast along the boards, wins a ton of puck battles, block shots, etc. His positive impact goes far beyond points, and its not like we're talking about an unskilled player. We're talking about a 1st overall pick who scored 42 pts in his last 51 nhl games in his 19 year old season.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Marner plays like a Jarnkrok player level in the playoffs, and Celebrini is absolutely not more proven than Slaf.

Marner is still going to produce assists playing the huge minute he does with the great offensive players he plays with. It hasn't helped his goalscoring though. He has 6 goals in his last 43 playoff games. Those are brutal numbers. Nylander scored half of that amount in just 4 games in these series.

Add to it the fact that Marner is soft, doesn't take hits to make plays, loses many puck battles, and hasn't been good defensively...

Even if Slaf were to not produce as many points as Marner, his impact on the ice would be far greater because he's physical, is a beast along the boards, wins a ton of puck battles, block shots, etc. His positive impact goes far beyond points, and its not like we're talking about an unskilled player. We're talking about a 1st overall pick who scored 42 pts in his last 51 nhl games in his 19 year old season.

Would be, could be, possibly is.

If that's good enough for you, cool.

Seems like a desperate attempt to make a Habs player relevant to this conversation without achieving anything.

Marner is more proven than Jarnkrok, and Slaf is more proven than Celebrini, it helps if you read and comprehend what you responding to. It doesn't make any part of you scenario valid at this time.

The Hockey News cover suggesting the Leafs were locks to win cups and asking how many they would win, was just as ridiculous as this take now.

Slaf may be great, maybe he will be even better, but it isn't even a valid question at this point.

 

[TheNumber4]

He’d be a way better player if people stopped putting Shambles in his Brain. I don’t blame Marner one bit, and neither does Marner.

 

[JimmyApples]

Matthews deserves heat.

69 goals, can't fight through a stomach bug and has an average game 7 once again

Absolutely.

Every year, Marner takes all the heat and Matthews slides under the radar. Sure, Mitch was bad. But Matthews once again, failed to put the team on his back and take over a series. He’s the highest paid player in the league, 69 regular season goals, and has never scored in a Game 7 with an 0-5 record in them.

No excuses, go out there and f***ing do something.

 

[BaconNater]

Did Marner re watch his Game 7 pre game motivational speech that Kyle Dubas gave him before the Montreal series?

 

[Stringer Bell]

At 27 he is still built like a schoolgirl. A bucktoothed school girl. It's strange.