What would you trade Larkin for... a thought exercise

[Rzombo4 prez]

Frondell would likely have the best odds, as Corey Pronman thinks he has the potential to be a star number 1 center in the NHL.

Please don't ever quote Corey Pronman again

 

[Frk It]

I would take a run at Byram with an offer sheet or another trade, but I don't see him as a target in a Larkin trade. For my money you absolutely need a center or center prospect in the return. We are far, far stronger at defense (especially top of the lineup defense) than center. Holl and Chairot make us forget how good Seider and Ed are.

Yeah I think you would have to have a corresponding move lined up to bring in a center, and it’s hard enough to make 1 significant move, no less 2.

So I would agree with you.

I’m all for offering a 1st + prospect + another piece for Byram though. I think we really need to lean into being a team built from the back out. Having Byram, Seider, Ed, ASP as your top 4 with 1 of Cossa/Trey in net would make us a real pain in the ass to play against.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Please don't ever quote Corey Pronman again

What's wrong with this?

Analysis: Kasper was easy to spot even in SHL games because of how powerful an athlete he is. He would often be the guy to wind it up in his own end to carry the puck due to his great speed and skill. Kasper has a strong 6-foot-1 frame, isn’t afraid to attack the hard areas, and can win some battles versus men as a 17-year-old. Kasper attacks with speed and skill, and while he can pull up to make a play or use his hard shot, his direct style of play will translate to the NHL. He projects as a quality top two line center.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

i'd trade him for a time machine

the correct time to trade larkin would have been prior to the 22-23 season. that would have put us firmly in the bedard/celebrini/misa sweepstakes. how much better would we look with michkov, celebrini and schaefer? or carlsson, demidov and misa? or bedard, levshunov and frondell?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Get with Nill to figure out what would work for Johnston or contact Verbeek and ditto for Carlsson. I wouldn't entertain anything centered around a pick or a prospect that hasn't hit the show yet. That's too many steps back. And yes, I would add to make something work. But any trade that's too unfavorable isn't going to happen and I'd point at the NMC that Dylan negotiated.

Pretty much this. I’d consider someone like Rossi and maybeeee Byfield, but I’m also pretty torn if he ever becomes more than a 50-60pt #2C, so probably not him

Beniers is another, but would want more coming from Seattle

 

[SoupGuru]

A young center with upside like a Byfield, McTavish or Beniers, or a really good center prospect+. Maybe such as a Lindstrom or Catton.

I'm gonna guess they wouldn't be able to land that.

Oh man, I'd love to see Beniers in a Red Wings jersey

 

[RedHawkDown]

Realistically, a 1st, a mid six center and a blue chip prospect. That seems to be the going rate for players of Larkin’s caliber.

I can’t think of a single trade where the team trading the better player won the trade, though.

Pacioretty
Duchene
Karlsson (senators and SJ version both, depending on how Dickinson turns out)

Lots of examples. Just off the top of my head

 

[RedHawkDown]

1- rebuilding teams need a leader to start the march , larkins perfect at it . an all heart player with an all around game , and an excellent team voice / communicator . aint no one here to replace what he brings
2- larkin at 8 mil with new ceiling happening is a great great contract you wouldnt get near replacing
3- hes too valuable to this organizations future to be traded . him n d'cat are a palsy tandem that sets the tone for the younger crowd and keeps the room sparkling , his worth is far beyond his on ice production
4- there really isnt a notable trade for detroit to make right now unless its prospect/draft pick type deal
5- though if larkin demanded a trade i would only do a 1 for 1 for a younger player thats already to some extent proving self in nhl . but upon thinking of that i imagine larkin being gone and it becomes ugly

How in the world could/do you know this?

 

[deca guard]

How in the world could/do you know this?

troll somebody else

 

[Lampedampe]

Hmm, only reason to do it would be to go for Mckenna, right?

I suppose if you don't re-sign Kane, then trade Debrincat and Larkin it should be a bottom-5 team.

But, realistically it'll set the team back 3 years. They could be unlucky again, and then you may have wasted Seider and Raymond prime years.

 

[KJoe88]

i'd trade him for a time machine

the correct time to trade larkin would have been prior to the 22-23 season. that would have put us firmly in the bedard/celebrini/misa sweepstakes. how much better would we look with michkov, celebrini and schaefer? or carlsson, demidov and misa? or bedard, levshunov and frondell?

The Bedard fetish is so gross.
What have those players accomplished in the NHL?

 

[SCD]

Since the Four Nations tournament, Larkin's play has not been stellar. There hasn't been a game or many shifts that he has taken control. Maybe he is injured, or burned out from the tournament, but his play has deteriorated. Speed in general does not age well. His production has seemed to plateaued. Not sure how great of a leader he is in the locker room, but his game may in decline when the team is peaking in 3-4 years.

Trading him should be a consideration. 1st and a high prospect would reasonable.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Pacioretty
Duchene
Karlsson (senators and SJ version both, depending on how Dickinson turns out)

Lots of examples. Just off the top of my head

Eichel
Thornton
Horvat
JT Miller
Stone
Reinhart
Rantanen (tbd)
Tkachuk
Pronger

More often than not, if you’re trading the most valuable player in the trade you don’t get enough value back in the long run to justify it.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Since the Four Nations tournament, Larkin's play has not been stellar. There hasn't been a game or many shifts that he has taken control. Maybe he is injured, or burned out from the tournament, but his play has deteriorated. Speed in general does not age well. His production has seemed to plateaued. Not sure how great of a leader he is in the locker room, but his game may in decline when the team is peaking in 3-4 years.

Trading him should be a consideration. 1st and a high prospect would reasonable.

I'm hoping that it comes out after the season that he's been hurt since the 4 Nations. Because if he's not, he's not captain material. Your best player and supposed leader cannot disappear like this down the stretch in these must-win games.

 

[Lampedampe]

Things just suck now, but i do believe that this is last season of pure sucking.

The most realistic scenario i see is that this team makes the play-offs the next couple of years. We'll have like a small small window where Larkin can be a decent 1st line center, if he gets out of this slump, and then they'll have Kasper as a good 2nd line center and Danielson as a Luxury 3rd line center.

Hopefully they just lose out this year, get to draft Frondell or O'Brien and just hope that they can step in and take over in 3 years time.

Sadly i don't see an actual cup contender with this core. But that's just down to bad luck honestly, which sucks, but hey.

Gonna be very similar to Nashville i reckon,
ASP = Ellis,
Seider = Weber
Edvinsson = Ekholm
(no one to match Josi, but hopefully ASP is better than Ellis)

Raymond = Forsberg
Larkin = Johansen
Debrincat = Arvidsson
Lombardi/Buch = Fiala
(they had no one to match Danielson and Kasper, Wings win here quite easily)

Cossa/Augestine = Rinne
(big question mark for the Wings here)

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

The Bedard fetish is so gross.
What have those players accomplished in the NHL?

i mean, he scored 61 in 68 as a full year 18 year old (.90%) 59 in 75 as a 19 year old (.79%) celebrini has scored 54 in 63 as a full year 18 year old (.86%)

larkin is currently at 62 in 74 (.84%) at 28 years old. his best season was 79 in 80 (.99%) at 26, or 69 in 68 (1.01%) at 27

 

[Winger98]

Things just suck now, but i do believe that this is last season of pure sucking.

The most realistic scenario i see is that this team makes the play-offs the next couple of years. We'll have like a small small window where Larkin can be a decent 1st line center, if he gets out of this slump, and then they'll have Kasper as a good 2nd line center and Danielson as a Luxury 3rd line center.

Hopefully they just lose out this year, get to draft Frondell or O'Brien and just hope that they can step in and take over in 3 years time.

Sadly i don't see an actual cup contender with this core. But that's just down to bad luck honestly, which sucks, but hey.

Gonna be very similar to Nashville i reckon,
ASP = Ellis,
Seider = Weber
Edvinsson = Ekholm
(no one to match Josi, but hopefully ASP is better than Ellis)

Raymond = Forsberg
Larkin = Johansen
Debrincat = Arvidsson
Lombardi/Buch = Fiala
(they had no one to match Danielson and Kasper, Wings win here quite easily)

Cossa/Augestine = Rinne
(big question mark for the Wings here)

If our kids can get us to that Nashville level as a baseline, that's not a bad place to be to try to add to get over the hump. People freak out over this idea of getting to this level but then act like the Wings won't keep trying to build and add to it.

 

[HisNoodliness]

If Larkin came to you tomorrow demanding an immediate trade, what specifically would you realistically hope to get in return for him?

I wish this thread didn't exist, and I'm pretty sure that if Larkin wasn't slumping right now, it wouldn't. I also don't think there's any way that he demands a trade. If he did, I'd try to convince him to reconsider.

If I have to move Larkin, he's decided that he's done, then I assume it has to be to someone reasonably likely to contend. He has trade protection and he's not demanding off this team so that we can send him to the Ducks. So I think you end up getting maybe Marco Rossi best case scenario.

And that's not a trade I say yes to unless forced. If not that, maybe I see how high Larkin + our first gets us in the draft. Must be pretty high. Again, not something I do unless forced.

Either way, I think Larkin is obviously injured, his play is suffering a bit, and everyone is way overreacting on some crazy "Larkin doesn't have the stuff" narrative. Sprinkle an extra 3 goals into the last 10 games and we're all happy with him like normal.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I wish this thread didn't exist, and I'm pretty sure that if Larkin wasn't slumping right now, it wouldn't. I also don't think there's any way that he demands a trade. If he did, I'd try to convince him to reconsider.

If I have to move Larkin, he's decided that he's done, then I assume it has to be to someone reasonably likely to contend. He has trade protection and he's not demanding off this team so that we can send him to the Ducks. So I think you end up getting maybe Marco Rossi best case scenario.

And that's not a trade I say yes to unless forced. If not that, maybe I see how high Larkin + our first gets us in the draft. Must be pretty high. Again, not something I do unless forced.

Either way, I think Larkin is obviously injured, his play is suffering a bit, and everyone is way overreacting on some crazy "Larkin doesn't have the stuff" narrative. Sprinkle an extra 3 goals into the last 10 games and we're all happy with him like normal.

A. Like I said, it is a thought exercise.

B. I don't know why you think there isn't any way he demands a trade. We will miss the playoffs this year and we are certainly not guaranteed to make it next year either. Why do you think he would be kosher with no playoff hockey indefinitely?

 

[better Red than Dead]

You don’t trade Larkin now, you’re not going to get back a legit superstar so you’re going to get draft picks and prospects. And if you trade him there will be huge blowback in the locker room as well so might as well have a fire sale

 

[dragonballgtz]

I said before in other threads, if we're not in a wildcard spot by Christmas you look to move him and Cat.

Next year Yzerman really needs to decide if Larkin is a centerpiece or not to this teams future. If he's not trade him before he gets too old. If he is then this off season Yzerman needs to add significant upgrades to this team.

 

[Chris Langlois]

The time to trade Larkin was the year of the bedard draft. Too late now sadly.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

I said before in other threads, if we're not in a wildcard spot by Christmas you look to move him and Cat.

Next year Yzerman really needs to decide if Larkin is a centerpiece or not to this teams future. If he's not trade him before he gets too old. If he is then this off season Yzerman needs to add significant upgrades to this team.

Agreed we could get some very very good pieces for larkin and cat. Plus the chance to watch the team sink or swim with the draft choices yzerman selected. If they swim great if they don’t well prime time for Mckenna

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

If the kids we drafted become what we hope they will be Yzerman will deal larkin when his ntc ends with 2 yesrs left on his deal and name the next captain seider. Until then I doubt larkin waives his Clause

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

I said before in other threads, if we're not in a wildcard spot by Christmas you look to move him and Cat.

Next year Yzerman really needs to decide if Larkin is a centerpiece or not to this teams future. If he's not trade him before he gets too old. If he is then this off season Yzerman needs to add significant upgrades to this team.

Cat will be gone before his contract ends , always said i see no world where Yzerman gives him a 7-8 yr long deal. His days are numbered