What would you trade Larkin for... a thought exercise

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Hronek and petersson for kasper larkin and danielson is what i heard

 

[brett89]

a tkachuk

 

[nbwingsfan]

Jiri Hudler says hi. Beat both Datsyuk and Zetterberg and finished top 10 league wide in scoring when a team put him on the top line. And the experts here swore up and down that he simply wasn't any good.

One time.

He was out of the league entirely two years later.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

One time.

He was out of the league entirely two years later.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Just for fun, Ken Holland was brought to LA to retool and win now, he wasn't hired to rebuild.

To LAK

• Dylan Larkin (he has to agree to trade, but they're a 100+ point playoff team)
• Michael Rasmussen (Kings fans want to get bigger, perhaps a change of scenery would be best for Ras)

Kings lineup

Rasmussen (replaces Kuzmenko UFA)-Larkin-Kempe
Fiala-Kopitar-Laferriere (RFA)
Foegele-Danault-Moore
Malott-Helenius-Turcotte

Anderson-Doughty
(UFA signing)-Spence
Edmunsson-Clarke

Kuemper
Portillo

LA is very strong down the middle with Kopitar moving down to 2C. Larkin helps win now and with transition when Kopi retires. Holland addresses their hole at 2LD via free agency.

To DRW

• Quenton Byfield (this has to be non-negotiable or the deal is off)
• Rights to Vladislav Gavrikov so we can sign him for 8 years (this assumes he wants max money, and we give him the Jakob Chychrun deal)

Detroit lineup

Söderblom-Byfield-Raymond
Cat-Kasper-Kane
Berggren-Copp-Compher
Mazur-Danielson-MBN
Lombardi

Gavrikov-Seider
Edvinsson-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson
Wallinder
Buium

Talbot
Mrazek

Byfield fits our core and when our window will open up. Söderblom gets a one year trial while we wait to see whether or not Kyle Connor signs with Winnipeg. We move on from Tarasenko, Holl and Gustafsson and embrace a youth movement.

Cap structure

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Just for fun, Ken Holland was brought to LA to retool and win now, he wasn't hired to rebuild.

To LAK

• Dylan Larkin (he has to agree to trade, but they're a 100+ point playoff team)
• Michael Rasmussen (Kings fans want to get bigger, perhaps a change of scenery would be best for Ras)

Kings lineup

Rasmussen (replaces Kuzmenko UFA)-Larkin-Kempe
Fiala-Kopitar-Laferriere (RFA)
Foegele-Danault-Moore
Malott-Helenius-Turcotte

Anderson-Doughty
(UFA signing)-Spence
Edmunsson-Clarke

Kuemper
Portillo

LA is very strong down the middle with Kopitar moving down to 2C. Larkin helps win now and with transition when Kopi retires. Holland addresses their hole at 2LD via free agency.

To DRW

• Quenton Byfield (this has to be non-negotiable or the deal is off)
• Rights to Vladislav Gavrikov so we can sign him for 8 years (this assumes he wants max money, and we give him the Jakob Chychrun deal)

Detroit lineup

Söderblom-Byfield-Raymond
Cat-Kasper-Kane
Berggren-Copp-Compher
Mazur-Danielson-MBN
Lombardi

Gavrikov-Seider
Edvinsson-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson
Wallinder
Buium

Talbot
Mrazek

Byfield fits our core and when our window will open up. Söderblom gets a one year trial while we wait to see whether or not Kyle Connor signs with Winnipeg. We move on from Tarasenko, Holl and Gustafsson and embrace a youth movement.

Cap structure

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100% guarantee if you trade Larkin then Kane isn't signing. Then look for DeBrincat to move on shortly after. And Gavrikov isn't going to want to leave sunny california for Detroit when the team looks like it will be a cellar dwellar for 4-5 years of his 8 year contract. Then there's Raymond and Seider. What is stopping them from asking for a trade after spending so much of their career on a franchise intent on imitating the 2010s Buffalo Sabres?

We can't consider trading Larkin until you have an inkling of what both Kasper and Danielson will become. If they are both 60+ point centers? Then you can consider it. If Kasper is just a good 50 point shutdown defensive second liner and Danielson is Compher with wheels? You can't do it.

 

[SantosHalper]

Maybe LA wants Tuomisto, since they hired Tyler Wright.

 

[Run the Jewels]

100% guarantee if you trade Larkin then Kane isn't signing. Then look for DeBrincat to move on shortly after. And Gavrikov isn't going to want to leave sunny california for Detroit when the team looks like it will be a cellar dwellar for 4-5 years of his 8 year contract. Then there's Raymond and Seider. What is stopping them from asking for a trade after spending so much of their career on a franchise intent on imitating the 2010s Buffalo Sabres?

We can't consider trading Larkin until you have an inkling of what both Kasper and Danielson will become. If they are both 60+ point centers? Then you can consider it. If Kasper is just a good 50 point shutdown defensive second liner and Danielson is Compher with wheels? You can't do it.

Kane and Debrincat are buds, right? That seems to be the main reason Kane signed with Detroit. The entire premise behind this thread is to come up with trades centering around Larkin, yeah? Not entirely sure what your angle is here suggesting we cannot even consider trading Larkin. What if he's fed up with the rebuild and wants out? What if Yzerman doesn't want to deal with a captain who isn't helping when it comes to team morale and isn't pushing the team to achieve their goals? It seems truly weird to jump in a thread on trades and suggest you cannot make a trade.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Maybe LA wants Tuomisto, since they hired Tyler Wright.

I still can't believe he actually hired Tyler Wright in LA. That move is on the level of the Abdelkader contract.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Kane and Debrincat are buds, right? That seems to be the main reason Kane signed with Detroit. The entire premise behind this thread is to come up with trades centering around Larkin, yeah? Not entirely sure what your angle is here suggesting we cannot even consider trading Larkin. What if he's fed up with the rebuild and wants out? What if Yzerman doesn't want to deal with a captain who isn't helping when it comes to team morale and isn't pushing the team to achieve their goals? It seems truly weird to jump in a thread on trades and suggest you cannot make a trade.

My angle is that if you trade your captain and still probably best player, the team's glue guy, then expect cascading effects.

Kane and DeBrincat are buds. DeBrincat asked for a trade to Detroit to play near home and to help build a winner. Trading Larkin for a player that isn't as good as him in Byfield is not doing that.
Kane is a short timer and wants to make another run or two before his career is over. If we lose Larkin we're not interested in making the postseason, so aside from hanging out with DeBrincat, why would he stay?
Seider and Raymond have been here since 2021-22, are going to turn 24 and 25 this upcoming season. They have not yet made the playoffs. If Yzerman trades Larkin for, again, a worse player, then how soon before they start to ask for a trade?

These are people, not sprites on an EA Sports game. If you want to get rid of Larkin then Byfield better come with a lot more than just UFA rights to Gavrikov.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

My angle is that if you trade your captain and still probably best player, the team's glue guy, then expect cascading effects.

Kane and DeBrincat are buds. DeBrincat asked for a trade to Detroit to play near home and to help build a winner. Trading Larkin for a player that isn't as good as him in Byfield is not doing that.
Kane is a short timer and wants to make another run or two before his career is over. If we lose Larkin we're not interested in making the postseason, so aside from hanging out with DeBrincat, why would he stay?
Seider and Raymond have been here since 2021-22, are going to turn 24 and 25 this upcoming season. They have not yet made the playoffs. If Yzerman trades Larkin for, again, a worse player, then how soon before they start to ask for a trade?

These are people, not sprites on an EA Sports game. If you want to get rid of Larkin then Byfield better come with a lot more than just UFA rights to Gavrikov.

If we are trading Larkin it's to build around Razor Mo and Ed. But once again Larkin has a NMC so it's a moot point. He holds all the cards.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If we are trading Larkin it's to build around Razor Mo and Ed. But once again Larkin has a NMC so it's a moot point. He holds all the cards.

We're already building around Ed, Mo and Raymond. You're just removing Larkin from the equation.

 

[Run the Jewels]

My angle is that if you trade your captain and still probably best player, the team's glue guy, then expect cascading effects.

Glue guy? I don't want to go down this conversation path again, so I'll just say there has been precious little to suggest Larkin is a glue guy. Particularly after his locker clean out press conference.

 

[stillwater]

There's also precious little to suggest that Larkin is not a glue guy. I mean this is just your narrative, created by you, because Larkin was not happy about the trade deadline.

I'm sure he wasn't the only one not happy. It's irrelevant that he said something when you're trying to determine if he's a "glue guy". Not one player has ever suggested that he's somehow not a good Captain. No one in the organization's hierarchy has ever suggested he's not a good Captain, or "glue guy". It's simply your narrative, and just because it's your perception, that doesn't make it so. It's just your opinion, based on pretty much nothing.

You don't like his pouty news conferences ... fine. That doesn't make him a bad Captain

 

[FMichael]

There's also precious little to suggest that Larkin is not a glue guy. I mean this is just your narrative, created by you, because Larkin was not happy about the trade deadline.

I'm sure he wasn't the only one not happy. It's irrelevant that he said something when you're trying to determine if he's a "glue guy". Not one player has ever suggested that he's somehow not a good Captain. No one in the organization's hierarchy has ever suggested he's not a good Captain, or "glue guy". It's simply your narrative, and just because it's your perception, that doesn't make it so. It's just your opinion, based on pretty much nothing.

You don't like his pouty news conferences ... fine. That doesn't make him a bad Captain

Just my dos pesos, but after watching both pressers from Larkin and Yzerman/McLellan…Back when he played - had Yzerman been stuck on such a shitty team as long as Larkin has?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Just my dos pesos, but after watching both pressers from Larkin and Yzerman/McLellan…Back when he played - had Yzerman been stuck on such a shitty team as long as Larkin has?

The Wings in the 80s were an incomplete team but the 86-87 to 88-89 teams were a team legitimately on the rise until the Goose Loonies incident. Bad goaltending and bad off ice behavior caused that team to break up and led to it being reinvented into what became the 90-91 and onward Wings. But when Devellano was GM he gave coaches a short leash and he was pretty active in trades to make the team better.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

We're already building around Ed, Mo and Raymond. You're just removing Larkin from the equation.

He has to be willing to accept a trade. He is from Michigan and just had a child. I doubt he will ok a move.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Just my dos pesos, but after watching both pressers from Larkin and Yzerman/McLellan…Back when he played - had Yzerman been stuck on such a shitty team as long as Larkin has?

Not really. Mostly because all but 5 or 6 teams made the playoffs until 1993. So the Wings weren't very good early on but still made the playoffs despite not even being a .500 team.

 

[lilidk]

Larkin for Schaefer
Also get extra first for Cat
We finally fix our defense for many many years. That will help draft high in very good 2026, we are set
Schaefer Seider
Ed ASP
AJo AJo
Buium
Bear Kasper Raymond
Soderblom Danielson MBN
Buchelnikov Plante Lombardi
Mazur Becher Kiiskennen
Cossa

 

[SCD]

The other data set that goes against Larkin being a great captain is the team's performance down the stretch, especially critical games. I don't believe it is all on the coach to motivate. Much is on these professionals, some of it is on the captain. As McLellan pointed out, they didn't show up when it mattered.

 

[SCD]

He has to be willing to accept a trade. He is from Michigan and just had a child. I doubt he will ok a move.

Not many players want to play in an environment where they know they are not wanted. It is more about controlling destination, than not being traded.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

100% guarantee if you trade Larkin then Kane isn't signing. Then look for DeBrincat to move on shortly after. And Gavrikov isn't going to want to leave sunny california for Detroit when the team looks like it will be a cellar dwellar for 4-5 years of his 8 year contract. Then there's Raymond and Seider. What is stopping them from asking for a trade after spending so much of their career on a franchise intent on imitating the 2010s Buffalo Sabres?

We can't consider trading Larkin until you have an inkling of what both Kasper and Danielson will become. If they are both 60+ point centers? Then you can consider it. If Kasper is just a good 50 point shutdown defensive second liner and Danielson is Compher with wheels? You can't do it.

I’m good with letting kane go and moving debrincat lol Larkin will never waive

 

[stillwater]

Not many players want to play in an environment where they know they are not wanted. It is more about controlling destination, than not being traded.

Who on the Wings are you specifically alluding to?

 

[SCD]

Who on the Wings are you specifically alluding to?

This is a Larkin thread.

If Yzerman notifies Larkin he doesn't see him as part of the future of this team and would like to arrange a trade, what do you think Larkin response is going to be? "I love Michigan?"

 

[Run the Jewels]

The other data set that goes against Larkin being a great captain is the team's performance down the stretch, especially critical games. I don't believe it is all on the coach to motivate. Much is on these professionals, some of it is on the captain. As McLellan pointed out, they didn't show up when it mattered.

Prior to McLellan we had two first-time NHL coaches who I think probably weren't as demanding. Blashill was in a tough situation given roster composition and having proven veterans when he took over and Newsy strikes me as being a player-friendly coach. Dave Lewis was a great example of a player-first coach who was brilliant as an assistant coach but couldn't make demands as a head coach the way Bowman would and Babcock would. Not defending Babcock here, just pointing out he was on the opposite end of the spectrum.

While I'm willing to give Larkin some benefit of the doubt here, my guess is McLellan was serving him some hard truths he likely didn't appreciate and that may help explain his last presser. I have no idea where things stand right now, but my guess is we'll find out this summer.