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OT: What would stop rangers fans from starting a “collective” to pay players like colleges are doing now?

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kyk1827 said:
Correct but its always been with legitimate companies. Now in college theres new things called “collectives” and all they are is fans pooling money to pay players to come to their school. They hide behind saying its for public appearances and autograph signings. So again, nothing would stop us from doing it too hypothetically


No they cant. They legally cannot. If they could then years ago prior to social media they couldve punished big market teams for pitching FA’s to sign with them because of the endorsement opportunities. The teams would have NOTHING to do with these collectives. In fact, the teams could PUBLICLY condemn them and guess what? It wouldnt do dick. Its for endorsement money
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Endorsement deals is how players would make extra money beyond their contracts. But how does a fan collective sign a player to a contract that wouldn't be included in the salary cap?
 
Thirty One said:
Let's steal from Islander fans and pay for Barzal with it.
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Islanders are going to win the lottery and pay Rangers STH with it.

www.news-journal.com

Islanders Co-Owner Jon Ledecky uses Jackpocket lottery app to place the Islanders' order, totaling 25,000 tickets, on behalf of all Full Season Ticket Members, suite holders, staff, and the Islanders Children’s Foundation.

Islanders Co-Owner Jon Ledecky uses Jackpocket lottery app to place the Islanders' order, totaling 25,000 tickets, on behalf of all Full Season Ticket Members, suite holders, staff, and the Islanders
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Machinehead said:
They're already getting paid.

The thing about college athletes is that colleges, networks, and advertisers make a mint off their games and they get precisely dick for it.

Why we would pay players on the Rangers when they're already getting paid *checks notes* by the Rangers?
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Well they get a free education worth about 200k. But you know if they feel that college isn’t for them nor meet their business expectations, they are free to do something else. This pity violin is pretty small for those who paid for a large chunk of their education.
 
sbjnyc said:
The total value of scholarships provided by college athletics is about $3.5 billion.
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Two things --

1) The cost of higher education has become truly insane, and the value of return on that investment is not only very subjective, but varies from person to person depending on the career path they take and how much time and effort they put into the learning part. Speaking of...

2) The higher profile the sport, the more time and energy that the athletes are expected to devote to it, thus further devaluing the actual "education" part of the scholarship. It's the biggest snow job in the country. "Pay" kids to play sports with a ephemeral value proposition that will supposedly pay off later in life while also mandating them to practice, study, and train for that sport 40+ hours a week to keep the right to earn that "payment." All the while making tens of millions of dollars thanks to the product that they put onto the field, which they don't get any piece of. And by the way, if you get hurt and can't play, we can revoke the scholarship and you don't even the get the piece of paper that we've decided is worth $200k.

tl;dr the total price of scholarships provided may be $3.5 billion, but the value is much, much less than that because it's an overvalued commodity on which the players are actively discouraged from trying to maximize their return
 
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I think to make a collective possible, MSG would have to agree with the fanbase on lowering ticket and concession prices. In short, the fanbase and the team would need to strike a collective collective bargaining agreement. If we're paying up the ass to go to the games and see the players, then lower those prices so we can redistribute those funds to the players' collective.

Now that I think about it, managing a collective is a job for the insurance companies. They can offer different level plans (basic, premium), where each of us fans can determine our own out-of-pocket costs. Premium collective plan means you pay more out of pocket but it provides you more coverage at the games, i.e., heavier discounts for tickets, food and beer. And maybe a chance for a personal one-on-one meet-and-greet with your favorite player -- once you have met your deductible.
 
clmetsfan said:
Two things --

1) The cost of higher education has become truly insane, and the value of return on that investment is not only very subjective, but varies from person to person depending on the career path they take and how much time and effort they put into the learning part. Speaking of...

2) The higher profile the sport, the more time and energy that the athletes are expected to devote to it, thus further devaluing the actual education part of the scholarship. It's the biggest snow job in the country. "Pay" kids to play sports with a ephemeral value proposition that will supposedly pay off later in life while also mandating them to practice, study, and train for that sport 40+ hours a week to keep the right to earn that "payment." And by the way, if you get hurt and can't play, we can revoke the scholarship and you don't even the get the piece of paper that we've decided is worth $200k.
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There are over half a million college athletes on an ahletic scholaship. I really don't know what you're trying to say here.
 
sbjnyc said:
There are over half a million college athletes on an ahletic scholaship. I really don't know what you're trying to say here.
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What does that have to do with the fact that a scholarship isn't worth anything close to what the schools claim that it's worth?
 
GAGLine said:
It's not a matter of law. The law isn't stopping the Rangers from giving players money outside their contract. The NHL is doing that. If the NHL deems that it is cap circumvention, they can punish the team however they see fit. The law doesn't supersede the NHL's rules.
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Buddy, step back again and let me say it one more time. If the fans (WITH ZERO INPUT FROM THE ORGANIZATION, with the organization even condemning the collective) were to form a collective the league could not do dick about it or fine the team. Its insane, i know but its legal and its happening
 
nyr2k2 said:
As someone who is fortunate enough to have money to blow on dumb shit every now and then, this is 100% something I would never even begin to consider participating in. :laugh:
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I 10000% agree and feel the same way. Im just saying its happening wide spread in college and its not gonna shock me if a pro teams fans try
 
kyk1827 said:
Buddy, step back again and let me say it one more time. If the fans (WITH ZERO INPUT FROM THE ORGANIZATION, with the organization even condemning the collective) were to form a collective the league could not do dick about it or fine the team. Its insane, i know but its legal and its happening
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It's not happening in the NHL, nor will it.
 
GAGLine said:
It's not a matter of law. The law isn't stopping the Rangers from giving players money outside their contract. The NHL is doing that. If the NHL deems that it is cap circumvention, they can punish the team however they see fit. The law doesn't supersede the NHL's rules.
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This basically sums it all up, thanks.

You just saved me a lot of time responding to this thread :laugh:
 
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