What would be the absolute ceiling for Rantanen's next contract?

[BleedWell]

We are getting close to new year and Rantanen has not been signed yet.

Everyone that has followed the NHL, let's say two years or more, knows he will not be traded in the middle of Stanley Cup window/year. So none of that crazy talk here thanks.

If you were the GM of the Avalanche what would be your absolute max number you would sign him for the next 8 years.

Not the number that would be the best for the team, not the number you would be even comfortable with but the last take it or leave it number?

For example:

Mikko is asking 13 million/8 years.
Managment is offering 12 million/8 years.

Is that 1 million(with cap rising fast) really the deal breaker and you just let him walk?

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[Foppa2118]

I think he was always going to end up at $12.6M, the way Chicago gave Kane and Toews the same deals, and it's just about negotiating their way to that number.

The Avs typically play hard ball and need a hard deadline of sorts to finalize deals. Perhaps the trade deadline, or the winter break, or maybe even June 30th, the day before UFA like Landy.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

11.25 during the summer. 10.75 now.

[edit...just kidding. 12.75 will always be on the table, but I'm not sure how much I'm willing to fight for anything more.]

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

MacK CAP.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Same as Mack sounds about right

 

[LOFIN]

Slightly under MacK

 

[Jasenr]

Same as Mack.

 

[MarkT]

If he wants to be paid the same as or more than MacK, I would like him to please make the case that he is as good as or better than him. I would then respond with a video package of him losing pucks and/or falling down, followed by clips of MacK controlling the puck and staying on his feet despite getting mauled. I'd follow this with a highlight reel of all the goals Mikko scores that had nothing to do with MacKinnon (a short reel), then all the rest (a long reel). Several hours later, Mikko, crying, would sign the contract I slide towards him.

 

[missionAvs]

If he wants to be paid the same as or more than MacK, I would like him to please make the case that he is as good as or better than him. I would then respond with a video package of him losing pucks and/or falling down, followed by clips of MacK controlling the puck and staying on his feet despite getting mauled. I'd follow this with a highlight reel of all the goals Mikko scores that had nothing to do with MacKinnon (a short reel), then all the rest (a long reel). Several hours later, Mikko, crying, would sign the contract I slide towards him.

Lol this made me laugh.

 

[Richard Doll]

I am not saying we should pay him the moon, but the argument that we can't pay X player more than X player because of not being as good doesn't hold water these days.

Maybe NHL contracts don't inflate as quickly as other sports, but sports contracts are always about resetting markets.

 

[The Abusement Park]

If he wants to be paid the same as or more than MacK, I would like him to please make the case that he is as good as or better than him. I would then respond with a video package of him losing pucks and/or falling down, followed by clips of MacK controlling the puck and staying on his feet despite getting mauled. I'd follow this with a highlight reel of all the goals Mikko scores that had nothing to do with MacKinnon (a short reel), then all the rest (a long reel). Several hours later, Mikko, crying, would sign the contract I slide towards him.

I mean Mikko’s agent would then just make a video of Mackinnon losing the puck skating into traffics and losing the puck going for the hero seam pass. You can make anyone look very good or bad via a video…

 

[RECKLESS]

My guess is the deal will be done at 8X12,5mil. It's a nice & round 100-million contract and everyone involved will be happy.

Edit to add. I guess the open market ceiling would be around that 14mil mark, but he ain't going nowhere.

 

[The Moops]

I think it gets done at the ~ the same cap hit as MacK

 

[Jasenr]

I mean Mikko’s agent would then just make a video of Mackinnon losing the puck skating into traffics and losing the puck going for the hero seam pass. You can make anyone look very good or bad via a video…

This is exactly what Mackinnon this year is against good teams and especially on the road. Its freaking frustrating to watch.

 

[MarkT]

I mean Mikko’s agent would then just make a video of Mackinnon losing the puck skating into traffics and losing the puck going for the hero seam pass. You can make anyone look very good or bad via a video…

Yeah, but the key metric here is the length of each of the video clips. Honestly, how many HOURS of Mikko falling and losing the puck would it be?

MacKinnon is of course a frustrating player at times as well, and both of them have similar defensive warts. But I don't even put them in the same category in the offensive zone. To me Nate is a full level ahead of Mikko. Mikko is very, very good at certain things and elite at some, but paying him the same as Nate suggests they are equally good, which simply isn't true.

 

[RECKLESS]

This is exactly what Mackinnon this year is against good teams and especially on the road. Its freaking frustrating to watch.

Yeah Mack is shit. Preach on brother.

 

[Jasenr]

Yeah, but the key metric here is the length of each of the video clips. Honestly, how many HOURS of Mikko falling and losing the puck would it be?

MacKinnon is of course a frustrating player at times as well, and both of them have similar defensive warts. But I don't even put them in the same category in the offensive zone. To me Nate is a full level ahead of Mikko. Mikko is very, very good at certain things and elite at some, but paying him the same as Nate suggests they are equally good, which simply isn't true.

Yet they both are top4 on points and top guys in Edmonton and Toronto make more money. This is a stupid take on anything

 

[MarkT]

Yet they both are top4 on points and top guys in Edmonton and Toronto make more money. This is a stupid take on anything

How many points would Mikko have without a superstar center? Just asking.

Also, both Edmonton players are centers, and Toronto is run poorly. Bad examples.

 

[Jasenr]

How many points would Mikko have without a superstar center? Just asking.

Also, both Edmonton players are centers, and Toronto is run poorly. Bad examples.

Propably many. Just last game he scored from Makar and CDH passes. Also had first assist on Lehky goal. Do your homework.

 

[MarkT]

Propably many. Just last game he scored from Makar and CDH passes. Also had first assist on Lehky goal. Do your homework.

lol I watch every game. I know he scores from other players, but the vast majority of his goals are assisted by MacKinnon. He's a really really good player, but his points numbers are a bit inflated playing with Mack. It's okay to admit it, friend.

 

[Jasenr]

lol I watch every game. I know he scores from other players, but the vast majority of his goals are assisted by MacKinnon. He's a really really good player, but his points numbers are a bit inflated playing with Mack. It's okay to admit it, friend.

And also Mackinnon gets a ridiculous amount of passing points and the number is inflated by having a 50 goals scorer on his wing. Why we arguing on any of this?

 

[MarkT]

And also Mackinnon gets a ridiculous amount of passing points and the number is inflated by having a 50 goals scorer on his wing. Why we arguing on any of this?

Um, because the topic is how much to pay Rantanen.

To counter your point, I'll direct you to the fact that MacKinnon is consistently productive (except for one slump this season) no matter who is on his wings. Without Mikko, he simply shoots and scores more often rather than passing.

Rantanen, meanwhile, doesn't do so well playing with anyone but MacKinnon. Many people around here clamour to split them up, but any time they try it, Rantanen's production tends to drop off.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah, but the key metric here is the length of each of the video clips. Honestly, how many HOURS of Mikko falling and losing the puck would it be?

MacKinnon is of course a frustrating player at times as well, and both of them have similar defensive warts. But I don't even put them in the same category in the offensive zone. To me Nate is a full level ahead of Mikko. Mikko is very, very good at certain things and elite at some, but paying him the same as Nate suggests they are equally good, which simply isn't true.

I agree that Mack is the better player. But I really don't think the gulph is as big as some people think here... Everyone here makes it seem like Rantanen would be some Guentzel level player without Mack when that is clearly not the case at all.

 

[MarkT]

I agree that Mack is the better player. But I really don't think the gulph is as big as some people think here... Everyone here makes it seem like Rantanen would be some Guentzel level player without Mack when that is clearly not the case at all.

Rantanen would instantly be the best forward on probably half the teams in the league. But he's still a full tier below MacKinnon in my opinion.

 

[Jasenr]

Um, because the topic is how much to pay Rantanen.

To counter your point, I'll direct you to the fact that MacKinnon is consistently productive (except for one slump this season) no matter who is on his wings. Without Mikko, he simply shoots and scores more often rather than passing.

Rantanen, meanwhile, doesn't do so well playing with anyone but MacKinnon. Many people around here clamour to split them up, but any time they try it, Rantanen's production tends to drop off.

For the whole career Mack has 0,42 goals, 0,73 assists and 1,15 points per game.

Mikkos numbers are 0,47 goals, 0,63 assists and 1,1 points per game.

You cant in your imagination say that he has spent all of that time on Macks wing.

Mikko scores goals at better pace, but makes a bit less points.

They are different type of players and you need both. Sure Mikko would propably make less money if they both have contracts made tomorrow, but they arent.

If you dont wanna pay Mikko the amount then dont and let him go somewhere else.