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What will it take for Matthews to be the best Leaf ever?

im not overly involved in leafs history, but can someone tell me why guys
like salming and sundin are (at least what i have read) legends and heros,
when they reached CF at most, and Matthews a joke when he reached 1 step under
whats the reasoning ?
 
Matthews is expected to become #1 all time goalscoror for the Leafs. According to an article, he is currently the fifth best all time Leaf, and he still has half of a career left.

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This got me thinking, will Matthews become the greatest Maple Leaf in history? And what will it take?. I’d say a trip to the Stanley cup final along with a few more Rockets or one Hart will do it. It’s a 32 team league now, but playoff success will still be vital.
Play one good game 7
 
Play one good game 7
Thing is, even if he scored a hattrick against the panthers in game 7, the result would likely be the same. I feel like Leaf Fans have historically never had higher expectations than of this era. Mats Sundin was never criticized to this level, and the expectations for him seem to be lower. Maybe it’s because social media didn’t exist back then.
 
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this is where I get to be a massive ASSHOOLE in the thread

Matthews 629 games played 727 pts
MARNER 657 games played 741 pts

is Matthews the greatest least all time on the current rosters. Goals are good but overall play and pts need to be factored in


For me, MAtthews in not in the league of Sittler and Macdonald
 
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Thing is, even if he scored a hattrick against the panthers in game 7, the result would likely be the same. I feel like Leaf Fans have historically never had higher expectations than of this era. Mats Sundin was never criticized to this level, and the expectations for him seem to be lower. Maybe it’s because social media didn’t exist back then.
Totally agree with you, I was just joking on that one but to me, every game 7 I watched from the Leafs the past couple of years, Matthews has been inexistant. Matthews need to show that he does everything to win, I haven't seen that yet. I get that the Leafs needs to change the DNA but letting go Marner and sign Bennett to a 7 years deal close to 9M or so won't solve anything because Bennett is effective in Florida because there is other ''Bennett'' in the team (Tkachuk,Marchand,Greer), if you put everything on his shoulder comes PO time I don't think he will be that effective. Matthews need Marner. If Matthews keep Marner and they bring some puck moving dmen and good gritt on the bottom 6 we might have something. Goaltending is also an issue, I don't think Stolarz is the answer long term.

So to me Matthews needs to be cluth when the time comes and a SC Final IMO
 
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im not overly involved in leafs history, but can someone tell me why guys
like salming and sundin are (at least what i have read) legends and heros,
when they reached CF at most, and Matthews a joke when he reached 1 step under
whats the reasoning ?
Salming had the misfortune of playing over half of his career during the Make Believes era.

He was a great defenceman- breakout player and defender- who never backed down from anyone. Even Ballard liked him because he was fearless.
 
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this is where I get to be a massive ASSHOOLE in the thread

Matthews 629 games played 727 pts
MARNER 657 games played 741 pts

is Matthews the greatest least all time on the current rosters. Goals are good but overall play and pts need to be factored in

For me, MAtthews in not in the league of Sittler and Macdonald
Matthews has better PPG from the numbers you just posted.
 
im not overly involved in leafs history, but can someone tell me why guys
like salming and sundin are (at least what i have read) legends and heros,
when they reached CF at most, and Matthews a joke when he reached 1 step under
whats the reasoning ?
Those guys played hard and honestly played on mediocre teams, they still managed to produce equal/better results than Matthews.

Matthews has played on a stacked team his entire career and done nothing with it, despite being one of the most talented players in NHL history.

Probably the biggest thing though is that despite his failures, he and Mitch have both only gotten paid an insane amount of money while being soft, producing poor results and being insanely greedy.

You can be soft (if you win)
You can be losers (if you give it your all)
You can be greedy (if you win)

But you sure as hell can't be all 3, that's a recipe for disaster, especially if you are immensely talented.
 
Salming was a great player. Easily take him over Matthews.
According to Rick Vaive he was a huge drinker and played many games hungover. Have to wonder how much it may have hampered his career (assuming it's true).
 
Can Matthews grow a pair? That’s what it will take. 230 and elite skills. Should certainly be the best and leading the Leafs to Cups. Lacks the fight needed imo.
 
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Can Matthews grow a pair? That’s what it will take. 230 and elite skills. Should certainly be the best and leading the Leafs to Cups. Lacks the fight needed imo.
He strikes me as another Spezza. World class talent, probably believes he is playing his absolute best but fails to understand he's missing that competitive fire that the all times greats have in any sport.
 
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He strikes me as another Spezza. World class talent, probably believes he is playing his absolute best but fails to understand he's missing that competitive fire that the all times greats have in any sport.
That’s an excellent comparison. Immense talent. No willingness to fight. Not likeable either. Seeing him posing in his fashionable clothes only makes him easier to not like. If he played tough, no one would blink an eye. But combine his “Dandy” fashion and lack of toughness, and that’s a recipe for a guy to not be well liked.
 
That’s an excellent comparison. Immense talent. No willingness to fight. Not likeable either. Seeing him posing in his fashionable clothes only makes him easier to not like. If he played tough, no one would blink an eye. But combine his “Dandy” fashion and lack of toughness, and that’s a recipe for a guy to not be well liked.
Bingo.

Unpopular opinion to have in current times but to me if you're going to do the fashion thing, back it up.

If Connor McDavid was like that it'd come across completely different.
 
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Matthews is the most talented leaf ever, as far as greatest, he doesn’t have the heart to compete with the leaf greats or the drive to win. Prove me wrong Auston…
 
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Bingo.

Unpopular opinion to have in current times but to me if you're going to do the fashion thing, back it up.

If Connor McDavid was like that it'd come across completely different.
Yup. If you’re going to strut like a peacock then you better damned sure play like one. Imo there’s a lot of fans who don’t like Matthews because of his “foppish” fashion. Then he plays soft. Not a good combination.
Maybe the Leafs need to move on from him?
 
Yup. If you’re going to strut like a peacock then you better damned sure play like one. Imo there’s a lot of fans who don’t like Matthews because of his “foppish” fashion. Then he plays soft. Not a good combination.
Maybe the Leafs need to move on from him?
The Hockey Department tells them so I'm sure but he's still a money maker for them, a big name to associate with their brand and so the Marketing Department says "Nope!"
 
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The Hockey Department tells them so I'm sure but he's still a money maker for them, a big name to associate with their brand and so the Marketing Department says "Nope!"
Hard to be a fan when accepting ownership sees the bottom line from the “penny pinchers” as more important in hockey ops than the Coaches, Scouts, and GM views of building a winning roster.
 
Hard to be a fan when accepting ownership sees the bottom line from the “penny pinchers” as more important in hockey ops than the Coaches, Scouts, and GM views of building a winning roster.
True.

But then as a Sens fan the marketing department overruled the Hockey department and chose Daigle over Pronger (so the story goes). But perhaps the owners truly thought Daigle was the Next next One (two seasons after Lindros).
 
He may put up individual numbers and be the more accomplished player, but he has a long way to go to pass the likes of Gimour, Clark and Sundin in the eyes of leaf fans. He's lead the team nowhere special and they generally under achieved compared to the 90's and early 2000's teams, who made special memories.

I haven't even mentioned older players from the 60's and earlier period. It's more than just points.
 
He may put up individual numbers and be the more accomplished player, but he has a long way to go to pass the likes of Gimour, Clark and Sundin in the eyes of leaf fans. He's lead the team nowhere special and they generally under achieved compared to the 90's and early 2000's teams, who made special memories.

I haven't even mentioned older players from the 60's and earlier period. It's more than just points.
The 92/93 leafs and 93/94 leafs went back to back conf finals on the backs of gilmour, Clark and andreychuk. Between those 2 playoffs, the leafs were 3-1 in game 7’s. That group had killer instinct. Gilmour nickname is even killer. This leaf group has basic instinct.
 

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