What Should Detroit Prioritize in Free Agency this Summer?

[cvaicunas]

That is not how I remember it, but my memory might not be as good as yours. There was definitely issues with the term and I still say that "love" is far too strong a word to describe the overall mood. No one stepping up to say otherwise might indicate that you are more right than I am.
Oh well, maybe someone will care enough to have a look. Been a long time since a free agent signing made me feel anything more than indifferent.

No there were plenty of conversations doubting the signing of Copp to that contract. He had just had a career year on a far better team than the Wings. I would put the mood after those signings as cautiously optimistic. Of course there were posters that immediately hated those signings as well.

 

[cvaicunas]

How the hell would you knwo any of it if you just made your Screen name?





lol I really don't care just thought that was funny. Hopefully you're MBH.

Maybe the The Oaf. Whatever happened to that guy

 

[FMichael]

Maybe we can be the next team out in the first round 6-7 years in a row.

Sorry, I don't want to just make playoffs and go 4-5 games and out. I see no point.

I see your point, but how many more seasons are you willing to wait before Detroit has 'April in the D'?

IMHO - at the rate we're going - Larkin will be at, or already retired before we see action in the playoffs.

I'd rather see Marner on the Wings, make the playoffs, and risk early exits instead of missing the playoffs for the next 6 plus seasons.

 

[FMichael]

I don't think anybody is saying they would be ok with being a perennial first round exit.

Detroit does not have enough talent with what's on the roster, even adding what's in the immediate pipeline. People just disagree with where/how to supplement it.

I think Marner COULD work here.
I think another team will make him an insane offer and Detroit won't get a chance to find out.

Yeah - teams like San Jose and Anaheim will have plenty of cap space to make a crazy offer...I know it's a longshot to sign Marner, but right now he's likely the best shot that'll help us throughout the reg season and making the playoffs.

 

[SantosHalper]

This team going nowhere , we simply become Nashville

In last 20 years Nashville has made playoffs 15 times, 1 SCF run and 1 Presidents trophy. And Wings already have more offense now than Nashville. In last 3 years Wings 756 goals, Nashville 712 goals and Wings not even a complete product yet.

 

[jkutswings]

In last 20 years Nashville has made playoffs 15 times, 1 SCF run and 1 Presidents trophy. And Wings already have more offense now than Nashville. In last 3 years Wings 756 goals, Nashville 712 goals and Wings not even a complete product yet.

And Nashville is now well past their window.

A better comparison would be Detroit's offense these past 3 seasons vs Nashville when they were on the rise.

Not to mention that Nashville was built on defense and Detroit does not yet have a defense that's worth a damn.

 

[SantosHalper]

And Nashville is now well past their window.

A better comparison would be Detroit's offense these past 3 seasons vs Nashville when they were on the rise.

Not to mention that Nashville was built on defense and Detroit does not yet have a defense that's worth a damn.

Nashville was in playoffs last season and year before missed by 3 points. Total breakdown this season though.

Well Nashville's only B2B playoff miss in last 20 happened 2012-2014, so in 2014 to 2017 which includes their SCF run, Nashville scored 700 goals.

Ed just played his 1st full season, Wings will be built on defense but we ain't there yet. Wings will be Nashville but with better offense.

 

[jkutswings]

Wings will be Nashville but with better offense.

Possibly. But that's also assuming 1) either Cossa or Augustine is comparable to Pekka Rinne in the NHL and 2) Detroit will grow into a defensively smothering team. Again, it's possible but so far both of those are still very much question marks.

On paper, I like Mo and Ed and Kasper and Danielson and the goaltending prospects to help with that identity. In reality, none of them are there yet and we're ASSUMING they'll collectively get there at an NHL level.

 

[Henkka]

Nashville is horrible. Just ugly.

Their core is 35y Stamkos, 34y MArchessault, 34y ROR, 34y Josi, with still 8.8M of buyout or other cap penalties (Duchene, Turris, retentions).

That the quaranteed shinking ship very very soon.

No smart UFA is gonna sign there. Marner would have the years of Larkin there, without a signle season at the playoffs.

Seeing Trotz hoarding those old UFAs at first felt just insane, but then some thoughts just came in my mind, how he is gonna sign them and when the team struggles, they want out and he is gonna get some futures on trades for them. There's just no other reasoning for that.

That team will need a total rebuild.

 

[Snuggs]

Maybe the The Oaf. Whatever happened to that guy

My favorite part is he's kept checks, and clearly, doesn't want anyone checking his closet.....

 

[SantosHalper]

Possibly. But that's also assuming 1) either Cossa or Augustine is comparable to Pekka Rinne in the NHL and 2) Detroit will grow into a defensively smothering team. Again, it's possible but so far both of those are still very much question marks.

On paper, I like Mo and Ed and Kasper and Danielson and the goaltending prospects to help with that identity. In reality, none of them are there yet and we're ASSUMING they'll collectively get there at an NHL level.

Strong defensive structure with good defensive players can make any goalie look good, letting the opposition twirl in the corner and only allow easy shots far away and out of the sector. Goalie doesn't need to be perennial Vezina candidate, consistently good is enough.

We are assuming but that because they give us a reason to assume.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

If I was marner, I’d probably have 10+ offers but I’d look for a few things

1) close to home as a new dad
2) maximum dollar value
3) opportunity in the lineup and team competitiveness
4) team isn’t in Canada where they pick you apart in the media


1)Detroit is 3 hours from Toronto driving
2) we can afford to pay him 13.5M or even slightly more
3) Detroit will give him top line, PP1 time on an up and coming long term playoff or more contender
4) USA teams aren’t nearly as bad as Canada for the media

Checks all the boxes to me!

 

[SirloinUB]

If I was marner, I’d probably have 10+ offers but I’d look for a few things

1) close to home as a new dad
2) maximum dollar value
3) opportunity in the lineup and team competitiveness
4) team isn’t in Canada where they pick you apart in the media


1)Detroit is 3 hours from Toronto driving
2) we can afford to pay him 13.5M or even slightly more
3) Detroit will give him top line, PP1 time on an up and coming long term playoff or more contender
4) USA teams aren’t nearly as bad as Canada for the media

Checks all the boxes to me!

Ive had similar thoughts. Also, despite a step back, Detroit is on the rise, he can join a team with an exciting future. On paper we are a great fit for Marner.


Still, my expectations are that we don't get him. Hope for the best and expect the worst lol

 

[dj4aces]

Yeah - teams like San Jose and Anaheim will have plenty of cap space to make a crazy offer...I know it's a longshot to sign Marner, but right now he's likely the best shot that'll help us throughout the reg season and making the playoffs.

Just because a team has plenty of space available to make a crazy offer doesn't mean he'll go there because of it.

If those who read between the lines are right, and Marner wants to leave Toronto for quieter pastures, we absolutely should make a run for him, and I would argue that if we offered him something like 7yr/12.5m (just spitballing here), Marner might be willing to take that and come here.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Unfortunately Detroit is one of the least desired locations FAs to sign with. Holland mentioned this 10 years ago after a bust FA summer saying no one wanted to come.

 

[stillwater]

Unfortunately Detroit is one of the least desired locations FAs to sign with. Holland mentioned this 10 years ago after a bust FA summer saying no one wanted to come.

So, what was true 10 years ago is by default still true today?

 

[jkutswings]

So, what was true 10 years ago is by default still true today?

Based on Holland's choices 10 years ago, I'd half expect Marner to be waiting outside Yzerman's door on July 1 like this:

 

[stillwater]

Based on Holland's choices 10 years ago, I'd half expect Marner to be waiting outside Yzerman's door on July 1 like this:

One of my favorite moments from a film.

 

[SirloinUB]

So, what was true 10 years ago is by default still true today?

Id think Detroit is on the lower end of the spectrum as far as recruiting/desirability goes.

Not a low/no tax state, not a fair weather state, Detroit is a fine city but I think it still carries a bit of a "rough city" reputation and they're not a particularly good team

The team is no longer in the gutter but you probably have to be within the top 5 of the league or have talents like Mackinnon/McDavid/Matthews/Pastrank/Kucherov/Rantanen to really draw others in.

The best thing going for Detroit is probably the NTDP and the University of Michigan being in the back yard so a lot of quality prospects get exposure to the area. The arena/training facilities would be a small plus as well.

Obviously it's not black and white. We're talking about a league with hundreds of players who have different priorities and values. Debrincat wanted to come home. Larkin was happy to stay. Many others probably do not give Detroit a passing thought.

 

[Bondurant]

Detroit was a destination team, despite not being a destination city, when there was no salary cap and Wings were a legit Cup contender year after year. Players would take pay cuts to come here. Now there is a cap, Wings are not a playoff caliber team and player culture has changed. Agents are smarter and savvier than ever before, players are hip to their options and they have lifestyles and hobbies they want to maintain. It's going to be harder to land the big fish.

That said, a YouTube thumbnail I just saw tells me we are getting Marner, Marchand and Bennett.

 

[dekelikekocur]

Maybe we can be the next team out in the first round 6-7 years in a row.

Sorry, I don't want to just make playoffs and go 4-5 games and out. I see no point.

This on so many levels. I don't care about making the post season for that "playoff experience". Look where that's gotten Toronto and Minnesota.

I want people who are going to show up, bust their ass, and excel, specially if they're making 12 to 14m a year, they better have an extra gear when playoff hockey starts and Marner is just not one of them from what his past performance has shown.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

With the cap rising are all of our bad contracts easier to move? I heard Bennett is likely going for 7M/7 and that's suppose to be like 5M adjusted to today's cap? Therefore Copp, Compher, Holl Chiarot aren't even unmovable anymore?

 

[dekelikekocur]

Id think Detroit is on the lower end of the spectrum as far as recruiting/desirability goes.

Not a low/no tax state, not a fair weather state, Detroit is a fine city but I think it still carries a bit of a "rough city" reputation and they're not a particularly good team

The team is no longer in the gutter but you probably have to be within the top 5 of the league or have talents like Mackinnon/McDavid/Matthews/Pastrank/Kucherov/Rantanen to really draw others in.

The best thing going for Detroit is probably the NTDP and the University of Michigan being in the back yard so a lot of quality prospects get exposure to the area. The arena/training facilities would be a small plus as well.

Obviously it's not black and white. We're talking about a league with hundreds of players who have different priorities and values. Debrincat wanted to come home. Larkin was happy to stay. Many others probably do not give Detroit a passing thought.

Michigan income tax is a flat 4.25%, we're one of the lowest in the country that has a state income tax.

Only states lower with hockey teams are: Ohio. NC has the same flat tax rate that we do.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

I see your point, but how many more seasons are you willing to wait before Detroit has 'April in the D'?

IMHO - at the rate we're going - Larkin will be at, or already retired before we see action in the playoffs.

I'd rather see Marner on the Wings, make the playoffs, and risk early exits instead of missing the playoffs for the next 6 plus seasons.

Make the playoffs get ousted year by year round 1 like the kings and draft in no man’s land for 5 yrs? I’m interested in winning cups

Want to go for marner? Cool .. trade debrincat for another player of importance ... we’re never going to win cups with marner debrincat raymond on the top 6 wings (kane would be back for next year and god knows he’d probably want to return the year after as well)

Get rid of debrincat we get rid of kane

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Nashville is horrible. Just ugly.

Their core is 35y Stamkos, 34y MArchessault, 34y ROR, 34y Josi, with still 8.8M of buyout or other cap penalties (Duchene, Turris, retentions).

That the quaranteed shinking ship very very soon.

No smart UFA is gonna sign there. Marner would have the years of Larkin there, without a signle season at the playoffs.

Seeing Trotz hoarding those old UFAs at first felt just insane, but then some thoughts just came in my mind, how he is gonna sign them and when the team struggles, they want out and he is gonna get some futures on trades for them. There's just no other reasoning for that.

That team will need a total rebuild.

Yzerman should visit josi in secret and convince him to request a trade to only Detroit so we get another debrincat type deal