Player Discussion What is the solution to this teams consistency problem?
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The main issue is the players and their failure to play a solid NHL level structured hockey. Not only defensively, but offensively, as well.
I hardly see our first line maintaining continuous pressure in the offensive zone, shift after shift. Usually all their offense is off the rush or one and done type thing. I expect the puck to stay in the offensive zone for the majority of the shifts and time when Stutzle and Tkachuk are on the ice together.
The Managements, the coaches, the goalies all have been heavily blamed and fired but the results are just not changing
I hardly see our first line maintaining continuous pressure in the offensive zone, shift after shift. Usually all their offense is off the rush or one and done type thing. I expect the puck to stay in the offensive zone for the majority of the shifts and time when Stutzle and Tkachuk are on the ice together.
The Managements, the coaches, the goalies all have been heavily blamed and fired but the results are just not changing
Agent Zuuuub
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Trade part of the core is the only way.
we just went through a 7 year rebuild, no way we can do that again.
we've already added a lot of vets.
can't have a carousel of coaches.
at some point gotta stop looking at the goalies, the coaches, the vets and look at the one constant.
but that's only if we miss the playoffs.
we should be better than Boston and all the other teams are bad. last wild card spot is there for the taking.
we just went through a 7 year rebuild, no way we can do that again.
we've already added a lot of vets.
can't have a carousel of coaches.
at some point gotta stop looking at the goalies, the coaches, the vets and look at the one constant.
but that's only if we miss the playoffs.
we should be better than Boston and all the other teams are bad. last wild card spot is there for the taking.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Get Zub back and keep grinding. These are questions for the offseason anyways.
Agent Zuuuub
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we have to be better than
Boston
Pittsburgh
Columbus
Islanders
Detroit
Buffalo
Montreal
Philadelphia
like how can they screw that up? we might finish .550 and still make the playoffs.
Boston
Pittsburgh
Columbus
Islanders
Detroit
Buffalo
Montreal
Philadelphia
like how can they screw that up? we might finish .550 and still make the playoffs.
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frightenedinmatenum2
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Realistically, this team needs a mini rebuild/retool, but the market can't handle another 5 year rebuild. The core pieces on paper are good, but it seems like this core as a unit has been damaged by the last 6 years of chaos. There is no cap flexibility to make major moves. The team also is asset poor because of the limitations of Melnyk and the choices of Dorion.
Given how few assets we have, Staios retooled everything he could this summer except for the core. For better or worse, Dorion locked in the core with the contracts he gave them.
If we are out of the playoffs by the TDL, I think they will be open for business on everybody, with the idea being that they aren't going to sell off the entire team, but they need to completely change the complexion of the organization while also gaining draft picks and cap flexibility to improve. By making everybody available, it gives them the best chance to sell high. They already put in the leg work for that last year when they apparently tried to gauge the value of the entire roster.
When I say they need another retool or rebuild, I don't mean this team is bottom 5 bad and cannot ever make the playoffs, but you have to look at it like this - most of the key players are only cost controlled for a few more seasons. There is no guarantee they stay if we keep missing the playoffs. We have no way to improve on this core because of how asset poor we are. We might be able to cycle out secondary or tertiary players, like Staios did this summer, but we don't even have the assets to go out and get a Chychrun or Debrincat or even Ullmark tier addition anymore. All of those assets are burned. So there is really no place to go with this core, and if they can't put it together they are going to spin their wheels for 2-3 years and then engage in another rebuild from a much weaker position. It's not a good spot to be in either way.
Given how few assets we have, Staios retooled everything he could this summer except for the core. For better or worse, Dorion locked in the core with the contracts he gave them.
If we are out of the playoffs by the TDL, I think they will be open for business on everybody, with the idea being that they aren't going to sell off the entire team, but they need to completely change the complexion of the organization while also gaining draft picks and cap flexibility to improve. By making everybody available, it gives them the best chance to sell high. They already put in the leg work for that last year when they apparently tried to gauge the value of the entire roster.
When I say they need another retool or rebuild, I don't mean this team is bottom 5 bad and cannot ever make the playoffs, but you have to look at it like this - most of the key players are only cost controlled for a few more seasons. There is no guarantee they stay if we keep missing the playoffs. We have no way to improve on this core because of how asset poor we are. We might be able to cycle out secondary or tertiary players, like Staios did this summer, but we don't even have the assets to go out and get a Chychrun or Debrincat or even Ullmark tier addition anymore. All of those assets are burned. So there is really no place to go with this core, and if they can't put it together they are going to spin their wheels for 2-3 years and then engage in another rebuild from a much weaker position. It's not a good spot to be in either way.
Imo it’s less a consistency problem and more a versatility problem.
The best teams win even when they’re not on their game a lot of the time, because they can beat you in so many different ways.
The Sens only win when a) the offense is clicking and they’re making nice plays all over the ice and b) when the whole team is having a strong night and it all comes together.
In an 82 game season, that’s not happening every night. So you need to be able to point at different things to help you win, whether it’s because the PK came up big, or one of our defensive pairs/centres neutralized a star player, or one of our goalies stood on their heads, or we were just opportunistic and made the team pay when they made a mistake. We don’t really win in different ways. All these things are even more important on the road and that’s why we suck there imo.
Is it youth and experience? Probably a little. Maybe there’s an element of the wrong mix in there too. Jacques was very frustrated by our game management and I think maybe instinctually these guys don’t get when and where they need to play differently.
That being said we have seen a lot of improvement this calendar year. Maybe they just need more time. If they don’t figure it out this year this core is done whether we like it or not so it’s not a question I’m gonna worry about.
The best teams win even when they’re not on their game a lot of the time, because they can beat you in so many different ways.
The Sens only win when a) the offense is clicking and they’re making nice plays all over the ice and b) when the whole team is having a strong night and it all comes together.
In an 82 game season, that’s not happening every night. So you need to be able to point at different things to help you win, whether it’s because the PK came up big, or one of our defensive pairs/centres neutralized a star player, or one of our goalies stood on their heads, or we were just opportunistic and made the team pay when they made a mistake. We don’t really win in different ways. All these things are even more important on the road and that’s why we suck there imo.
Is it youth and experience? Probably a little. Maybe there’s an element of the wrong mix in there too. Jacques was very frustrated by our game management and I think maybe instinctually these guys don’t get when and where they need to play differently.
That being said we have seen a lot of improvement this calendar year. Maybe they just need more time. If they don’t figure it out this year this core is done whether we like it or not so it’s not a question I’m gonna worry about.
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Zub and Pinto, that's two important pieces
swiftwin
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Exactly. It's way too early to have this conversation.
coladin
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Repetition.
When you win the "right' way, that is the best way to realize how it's done.
These guys are really close. Give it some time for them to have this come naturally for them. Take Brady, for instance. He had a couple games of great defensive awareness and last night, he did not follow the program and he knows the results speak for themselves.
They will get this right because they are so close
When you win the "right' way, that is the best way to realize how it's done.
These guys are really close. Give it some time for them to have this come naturally for them. Take Brady, for instance. He had a couple games of great defensive awareness and last night, he did not follow the program and he knows the results speak for themselves.
They will get this right because they are so close
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dumbdick
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I think we've played well this season. Very suprised by this doom and gloom conversation right now.
Loach
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Most of the people here would boil a consommé because it takes too long to make and it's just soup anyway. Fckn savages.
An average team will by definition win as many games as they will lose, now they could do it in long winning and long losing streaks, or like they're doing now by alternating the good and the bad. None of this inconsistency is surprising to me so far. Sure, full health would help, but I'm willing to bet that by the time Pinto and Zub are back someone else will be injured. It's the nature of the game, and it seems especially true when it comes to the Sens, but it could be my Sens-centric bias.
With this core the most I expect (and would be satisfied with) is a couple of trips to the playoffs, and maybe we get lucky once we're there, kind of like in 2017. Ideally this happens this year and the next, and then we can uncontroversially (is that word? spellchecker says no) retool the core, focusing on building a better core around Stutzle, Sanderson and Yak while trading the rest.
But if they disappoint again this year, I'm not opposed to starting the retool early and get even better assets for some or all of Brady, Norris, Batherson, Chabot, Zub, etc.
With this core the most I expect (and would be satisfied with) is a couple of trips to the playoffs, and maybe we get lucky once we're there, kind of like in 2017. Ideally this happens this year and the next, and then we can uncontroversially (is that word? spellchecker says no) retool the core, focusing on building a better core around Stutzle, Sanderson and Yak while trading the rest.
But if they disappoint again this year, I'm not opposed to starting the retool early and get even better assets for some or all of Brady, Norris, Batherson, Chabot, Zub, etc.
Agree on Zub. Perron coming back with his extensive experience will also be huge.
Stay the course for now. Let’s see what Travis can do with them.
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