Speculation: What is the most the Canucks could fetch from NYR if they traded JT Miller back to NYR

[DeltaSwede]

Not happening but I'd say, if anything, something around Miller for Trocheck+ would be the basis.

That would make some sense from a Canucks perspective. The age checks out, 32 vs 31. Right shot center is something the Canucks would benefit from. Trocheck doesn't seem to have the best season so far either so he could potentially be a "shake-up" piece leaving NY.

That's based entirely on Miller hypothetically wanting out. If he doesn't he will be a Canuck. Too important for the team.

 

[604]

Canucks aren’t trading JT Miller.

Canucks will likely trade their draft capital for the best defensemen they can get and go for it with a rested Miller + Demko + Hronek.

 

[bernmeister]

Calm down, im well aware that the Canucks probably arent looking to move JT Miller.

I'm more so curious what it would take for the Canucks to accept a Rangers offer.

Its been reported that Drury absoloutely loves JT Miller and has made numerous calls to Van regarding a trade.

There's also lots of talks that the Rangers are about to blow things up...

JT Miller is probably on one of the best contracts right now, and it will just get even better once the cap sky rockets up. He is signed for 8m a year for another 5yrs after this season. Scored 100+ last season

Canucks arent rebuilding as they are looking to take advantage of the years left that Q Hughes is making 7mil and Demko at 5mil.



IMO it would have to be something like:

1st, Perrault, Chytil, B Schneider

for JT Miller , Noah Juulsen

a 3rd team would probably have to get involved to make the cap fit as well.

K’Andre Miller would be the start asking and then you start adding. Lafrenier and Miller for Hoglander and Miller I’d entertain as a Canucks fan.

Zibanejad + Kakko for Miller and a 1st? Or Miller + 2nd? dno

Laff + Schneider

3rd or 4th then? For Kakko who still is a 23yo #2 pick who might actually be a good player if he got shipped out.

I know Zibanejad is having a down season for his standards, but I'm don't feel like Zibanejad, Schneider and a 1st for Miller would be all that far off.

I think the Rangers may need to throw in another prospect but I don't think it would be anything to extreme. Miller is an upgrade on Zibanejad but Schneider and a 1st added on top seems like a good bridge between the two.

What did Lindolm fetch last year? Just as a template.

1st, B+ prospect, C prospect, Kuzmenko on a down year. Conditional 4th.

I don’t think anyone here is crazy enough to say Lindholm is at Millers level. Definitely a tier below, Miller is also on a very team friendly contract.

IMO, the template for a Miller trade would be:

1 x player with term on a big contract having a down year.

1 x 1st or similar prospect

1 x A prospect

1 x B prospect or other asset

For example:

Krieder
1st
Kakko

its going to be Laf, Schneider and a 2nd. for Miller and a 4th or something close. Chytll has serious concussion issues, its a pass.

Zibanejad, Cuylle and Schneider/Miller

Rangers in a win now mode, would most likely be giving up prospects and picks to acquire MIller. I don't think they want to move Alexis Lafrenière which is extremely reasonable for them to say not we don't want to move him.

they do however want to get rid of cap room to fit in Miller so maybe they will have to dump contract.

I am guessing they will offer Chytil 1st round pick another young guy, and another recently drafted prospect as an opening offer for JT MIller.

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Kakko is almost worthless, Zibanejad is closer to a salary dump than he is to someone like Miller, and the Canucks ADD a first? Lmfao


I mean half that fanbase is dumb enough to think Pettersson is a god, so it wouldn't be a hard sell if they spin it like JT hurt poor EP's feelings

His value is like what a 2nd?

No Chance..Vancouver would not make this trade

Has to be a combination of Cuylle/Scheinder/Miller/1st otherwise it makes no sense for the Canucks.

Miller has a no movement clause. That changes everything as the Rangers only have to outbid whichever teams Miller is willing to go to. If this trade happens the return will be underwhelming like pretty much any deal involving a disgruntled player with a NMC. If he's not disgruntled than a trade makes no sense as he's Vancouver's best all-around player on a team that thinks it can win something.

no to all the craziness above
for too many reasons, not enuf time..

see my next post for answer to OP

 

[bernmeister]

This is THE deal, and I'll explain why

Rs need to move Zib, who has nmc at 8.5. Physically ok, we paid him to be 1C to have magic w/Kreider. Mika now full snakebit mode but right chemistry solution could work
MZ to VAN = he has legit shot at Cup + fellow Swede EP = comfy, so he waives

Now, VAN is not/should not be doing any favors
1st requirement is Zib max retention, 8.5 to 4.25 per, which means if Zib craps out, unlikely but possible, he can be retained once more and sent to bottom feeder

2nd requirement is VAN has to get value back
That has to also recognize JTM is a solid talent but as we are now seeing is not immune to insisting on when/if he will take off, etc
we will take JTM back and ask him if he wants to stay, or would like to be relocated again, in which case we will attempt to reasonably accommodate if nec


Rs keep younger youth [Schneider]
sell high on Fox who = ideal top pair partner and helps while Hronek is out


balancing, this is what I have

Fox 9.5 + Zib 4.25 + next 2 Ranger 2nds [2027 + 2028?]
for
Miller + Raty + Juulsen + injured Forbot + 2 VAN 1sts anytime over next 5 yrs

that helps both teams
'nucks improve immediate win now esp if EP gets Zib going

Rs have structural cap improvement, add quality + depth



mic drop til later peeps, real world

 

[Peter Griffin]

This is THE deal, and I'll explain why

Rs need to move Zib, who has nmc at 8.5. Physically ok, we paid him to be 1C to have magic w/Kreider. Mika now full snakebit mode but right chemistry solution could work
MZ to VAN = he has legit shot at Cup + fellow Swede EP = comfy, so he waives

Now, VAN is not/should not be doing any favors
1st requirement is Zib max retention, 8.5 to 4.25 per, which means if Zib craps out, unlikely but possible, he can be retained once more and sent to bottom feeder

2nd requirement is VAN has to get value back
That has to also recognize JTM is a solid talent but as we are now seeing is not immune to insisting on when/if he will take off, etc
we will take JTM back and ask him if he wants to stay, or would like to be relocated again, in which case we will attempt to reasonably accommodate if nec


Rs keep younger youth [Schneider]
sell high on Fox who = ideal top pair partner and helps while Hronek is out


balancing, this is what I have

Fox 9.5 + Zib 4.25 + next 2 Ranger 2nds [2027 + 2028?]
for
Miller + Raty + Juulsen + injured Forbot + 2 VAN 1sts anytime over next 5 yrs

that helps both teams
'nucks improve immediate win now esp if EP gets Zib going

Rs have structural cap improvement, add quality + depth



mic drop til later peeps, real world

This is pure bern gold.

 

[kcunac]

Some pretty bad proposals here. Think the rangers probably just kicking tires when they reached out to see if the Nucks wanted to dump JTM. Seeing as that was not the case, it is difficult to see a trade between the two.

 

[FerrisRox]

Zibanejad + Kakko for Miller and a 1st? Or Miller + 2nd? dno

Are you for real?

The Canucks give up the best player, by a country mile, and a 1st round pick, and they get back Zaibanejad and Kakko?

You can't be serious.

This might be the single worst trade proposal I've ever seen here and I've been here over 20 years!

WOW!

 

[Else Ermine]

What are Vancouver's needs?

Other than Adam Fox?... They really need JT Miller.

This whole topic is contingent on Miller wanting to leave Vancouver, and there's no direct evidence out there to suggest he does. The Vancouver media has (largely) been very respectful of his privacy since leaving the team, with the acknowledgement that along with playing banged up through the start of the season he's stepped away needing a reset for his mental well-being and that he has sought help with that. He genuinely seems to love being a Canuck, and Vancouver loves him. Shit happens in life. The Canucks organization seems very supportive of him. I'm sure multiple teams have inquired but quite clearly he's not moved.

 

[bernmeister]

Other than Adam Fox?... They really need JT Miller.

This whole topic is contingent on Miller wanting to leave Vancouver, and there's no direct evidence out there to suggest he does. The Vancouver media has (largely) been very respectful of his privacy since leaving the team, with the acknowledgement that along with playing banged up through the start of the season he's stepped away needing a reset for his mental well-being and that he has sought help with that. He genuinely seems to love being a Canuck, and Vancouver loves him. Shit happens in life. The Canucks organization seems very supportive of him. I'm sure multiple teams have inquired but quite clearly he's not moved.

mutual backscratch is Fox + retained zib + lesser picks
for
JTM, useful pieces, and 2 1sts over 5 years

 

[Else Ermine]

mutual backscratch is Fox + retained zib + lesser picks
for
JTM, useful pieces, and 2 1sts over 5 years

I cannot understand how losing Fox is anything other than horrible alternative reality for the Rangers. I'm a Canucks fan and even I'm scared of living in that world!

 

[Nucker42]

Rick Dhaliwal on his show yesterday addressed the rumours. Spoke at length about how this is just a reset for the player and how the team and player want to be back together.

Rick is more tuned in than anyone around the Canucks.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Aquilini won't allow JT to be moved
Unless Tocchet wants him Gone..
JTs pissed after the Benching

agreed or if JT requests a trade. regardless I think these rumors are all a bunch of clickbait nonsense

 

[lakeshirts37]

Swapping an overpaid 2C for a top 5-10 C in the league is a massive upgrade. Miller almost willed the Canucks to the WCF with a 3rd string goalie. If Shesty pulls his head outta his ass, those two would be scary come playoff time. Miller is instantly the Rags best skater


If you can get a top 10 player in the league for $8m, it's a great f***ing contract. If schmucks like Panarin, Pettersson, Nylander are getting $10m+, Miller would too even at his age

Yeah I dont think you understand at all what im saying. those are horrible comparisons and since when are those guys schmucks?

 

[bernmeister]

I cannot understand how losing Fox is anything other than horrible alternative reality for the Rangers. I'm a Canucks fan and even I'm scared of living in that world!

Rs need to pay to get adequate value + roster flexibility

 

[derkejohnlee]

Zibanejad (20% retained) + Schneider + 4th for JT. Miller + Hoglander

Zibanejad (20% retained) + K.Miller + 3rd for JT Miller + Hoglander + Desharnais

 

[JKG33]

Yeah I dont think you understand at all what im saying. those are horrible comparisons and since when are those guys schmucks?

Look at those players.. soft and inconsistent in the regular season, completely disappear in the playoffs. Miller is the opposite of that. He plays hard nosed hockey, you know what you're gunna get every night from him, and he steps up in the playoffs.

Idgaf about his age. For $8m that's one of the best bargains in the league. I'd take him in an instant over those other overpaid schmucks, as would any team trying to win a cup. If he was a UFA 6 months ago (or in 6 months) he'd easily get $11m+.

And the Rags, in a pathetically terrible eastern conference, would be stupid to turn down that trade. $13m combined on Shesty and Miller is the best non-elc value the league has ever seen. If they couldn't make it to the SCF with that duo where the only competition in the east is Florida, then the rest of the team is even worse than I thought which really says something

 

[Bankerguy]

he's a top line center, put up 100 points , plays with Grit, good at faceoffs, can play any forward position. AND he's signed to a good deal at only 8 million. similar profile guy on the open market would fetch like 10 million.

NYR would have to pay and pay a lot.

Schneider, Cuyllee, Trocheck/Chytil could maybe get it done.

 

[RangerBoy]

Mika

 

[LuLover96]

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[RangerBoy]

Some pretty bad proposals here. Think the rangers probably just kicking tires when they reached out to see if the Nucks wanted to dump JTM. Seeing as that was not the case, it is difficult to see a trade between the two.

The Rangers are looking for a spot to move Mika. Both contracts end in 2030. The money is similar. $500,000 difference. Nothing to see.

 

[JKG33]

The Rangers are looking for a spot to move Mika. Both contracts end in 2030. The money is similar. $500,000 difference. Nothing to see.

Those two players with nearly the same contract? One is borderline negative value with a NTC, the other is one of the best centers in the league.

 

[beachcomber]

He's not getting traded. Period. As an aside why would anyone want a floater like Zib anyhow?

 

[Ita]

Are you for real?

The Canucks give up the best player, by a country mile, and a 1st round pick, and they get back Zaibanejad and Kakko?

You can't be serious.

This might be the single worst trade proposal I've ever seen here and I've been here over 20 years!

WOW!

The icing on the cake is that the Canucks have to add the 1st.

 

[TGWL]

If Rangers go after JT miller it's because they want to expand the window and believe he can help this team compete, while being productive. That eliminates your top guy or top prospect who will be part of that window and starts including cap and pieces NYR want to move away from. I don't see a realistic trade unless JT wants out and Vancouver accepts a package that might make their future better, but not be better today. While the cap at 8 is very fair, there's still 5 more years left and despite the "he's not slowing down talk", it can creep up on you very quickly considering he's turning 32 and doesn't shy away from contact. You can't trade Miller and replace him with 90 points. It's a tough trade to work out. I don't see a scenario that works when you look at the players NYR want to/might want to move away from.
Lindgren, Trouba, Zibanejad, Kreider, Miller (depending on contract), Kakko (just because his name as been brought up by the media), and then your #2- to bottom prospects. On top of that, they're very light on draft picks. Can't see a realistic scenario that works for both teams.