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What is the highest trade package you're willing to give up to swap Misa for Schaefer?

What is the highest trade package you're willing to give up to swap Misa for Schaefer?

  • Sam Dickinson

  • William Ecklund

  • Quentin Musty

  • Igor Chernyshov

  • 2026 Unprotected 1st round pick

  • 2025 Dallas 1st

  • 2025 San Jose 2nd

  • 2025 Dallas 1st + 2025 San Jose 2nd

  • 2025 San Jose's entire draft picks

  • No trading up. Pick Schaefer if he drops to us; otherwise, be elated with Misa.


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How much does a NHL General Manager make? As of May 26, 2025, the average annual pay for a Nhl General Manager in the United States is $55,109 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $26.49 an hour. Mike Grier's salary is from $50k to $100K.
 
Slow news day. so here.
How much does a NHL General Manager make? As of May 26, 2025, the average annual pay for a Nhl General Manager in the United States is $55,109 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $26.49 an hour. Mike Grier make from $50k to $100K.
Considering the top 5 GMs make over 3 million annually tells me it's literally impossible for the average to be 55,109.
 
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How much does a NHL General Manager make? As of May 26, 2025, the average annual pay for a Nhl General Manager in the United States is $55,109 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $26.49 an hour. Mike Grier's salary is from $50k to $100K.

This is why AI is stupid.
 
This guy actually agrees with the narrative Isles fans are desperately pushing to compensate for the fact that Schaefer is a below average #1 overall talent and therefore I think he’s right.
FIFY.

Only a handful of players in this league are true game breakers. They don't have to be generational talents but they have to be 1A level talent. Those "value" players are there to support these game breakers that become the difference between a cup and no cup. Everything should be done to try to acquire or keep these players. That is how I see the Schaefer and McKennas, and Celebrinis. Misa has been penciled as a 2C player by many scouts many pointing that Hagens is a better skater. You don't want to have those types of question marks when you are looking for a game breaker in the draft.
You’re literally just making stuff up. Show me a scout that says Schaefer is a superstar and Misa is a 2C.

Go back to the Isles board and keep working on convincing yourself that Ritchie is more than an okay 2C and Eiserman will actually pan out better than Oliver Wahlstrom.
 
Thinking about “top prospect” as part of the deal…. Would we consider Luca Cagnoni as a top prospect? Because that way NYI is getting a “offenseman” that is a LHD.
 
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Slow news day. so here.
How much does a NHL General Manager make? As of May 26, 2025, the average annual pay for a Nhl General Manager in the United States is $55,109 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $26.49 an hour. Mike Grier's salary is from $50k to $100K.
So AI will clean all stuffs for me in seconds . It is still my thoughts and sentence structures, just a bit more refined. It doesn't do the thinking for me. It's still my HUMAN opinions not robot.
So was this AI's thoughts or your own? Cuz it's clearly incorrect if you put more than 10 seconds of thought into it.
 
None of that dispels the fact that 13/16 teams in the playoffs drafted their 1D at 5th or later. There will be other players of Schaefer's caliber. If he was 6'4 or RH, maybe that changes. I just can't see the sense in giving up premium assets to move up 1 spot when the player available at #2 is going to fill a need and be just about as valuable in the long-term.

It's not as if the defensive cupboards are totally barren now after Grier executed a masterclass trading into the range that ensured him one of the top tier D from last draft (and maybe the 2nd or 3rd best D from that group). It really comes down to the cost to move up likely being obscene and not worth it when we're more than just a Schaefer away from coming out of the rebuild.

There also becomes the issue where I simply don't think a 2C that lacks a 200 ft game like Smith is something that you win with in the playoffs. I think he fits better on the wing which means you're now in the position of needing to surrender more assets to go get a 2C after already giving up assets to move up 1 pick for Schaefer. Not trying to clutch onto the picks/prospects for dear life, but simply think there are ways of using them that make more sense than unleashing it all for Schaefer.
I seriously doubt there will be another defense prospect with Schaefer's potential upside available to us anytime soon. He's clearly the best D prospect at the time of the draft since Dahlin. Maybe Dupont will surpass him but I'm not willing to bank on winning the 2027 draft lottery.

Just because there are other ways to find a #1 defenseman doesn't invalidate the tried and true method of drafting one really high. And our defensive cupboard is barren outside of Dickinson. Nobody else in the system is a good bet to have a NHL career.

The other reason I'm so in favor of trading up is that I'm not even convinced Misa is the 2nd best player in this draft. The choice at 2OA is way more fraught with potential regret than some fans and media are making it out to be.
 
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So was this AI's thoughts or your own? Cuz it's clearly incorrect if you put more than 10 seconds of thought into it.
General manager for professional hockey or sports team is very different than a GM for anything else. I could be the GM for a charity or retail store. This could be a reason why the salary provided by AI is low. I blame the prompt, not the response.
 
I seriously doubt there will be another defense prospect with Schaefer's potential upside available to us anytime soon. He's clearly the best D prospect at the time of the draft since Dahlin. Maybe Dupont will surpass him but I'm not willing to bank on winning the 2027 draft lottery.

Just because there are other ways to find a #1 defenseman doesn't invalidate the tried and true method of drafting one really high. And our defensive cupboard is barren outside of Dickinson. Nobody else in the system is a good bet to have a NHL career.

The other reason I'm so in favor of trading up is that I'm not even convinced Misa is the 2nd best player in this draft. The choice at 2OA is way more fraught with potential regret than some fans and media are making it out to be.
But why keep debating the trade up? It's all but sealed that they won't trade it. We're stuck with the fraught decision.
 
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This debate is stale.
Let’s flip this, what’s the minimum trade package you would accept to trade down from #2 overall (still inside the top 10, or outside of the top 10)? (2 part question)
 
But why keep debating the trade up? It's all but sealed that they won't trade it. We're stuck with the fraught decision.
Fair enough. Just explaining why I'm willing to go to places others aren't (unprotected 2026 1st, Dickinson, etc.) to make the no-brainer pick. But I agree it's not going to happen.
 
This debate is stale.
Let’s flip this, what’s the minimum trade package you would accept to trade down from #2 overall (still inside the top 10, or outside of the top 10)? (2 part question)
I'd trade down to 6OA for Tyson Foerster. Just pick whoever's left out of Martone, Frondell, Desnoyers and Hagens.
 
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This debate is stale.
Let’s flip this, what’s the minimum trade package you would accept to trade down from #2 overall (still inside the top 10, or outside of the top 10)? (2 part question)
If they trading the pick away without getting a pick back, I would like 2 premium pieces and 1 B-tier prospect Example: Jason Robertson, Thomas Harley + Mavrik Bourque from Dallas.

I know that looks like an overpay, but if I were MG I would keep the price very high since it's such a crucial pick for this franchise.

With getting a top 10 pick back, I would like 1 premium piece (top prospect/top6/top4) back + the pick.
Outside of the top 10 pick, 1 premium piece + 1-2 B-tier prospects + later pick.
 
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Just putting this here because AI.
 
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If they trading the pick away without getting a pick back, I would like 2 premium pieces and 1 B-tier prospect Example: Jason Robertson, Thomas Harley + Mavrik Bourque from Dallas.

I know that looks like an overpay, but if I were MG I would keep the price very high since it's such a crucial pick for this franchise.

With getting a top 10 pick back, I would like 1 premium piece (top prospect/top6/top4) back + the pick.
Outside of the top 10 pick, 1 premium piece + 1-2 B-tier prospects + later pick.
This ask is like what Isles fans are asking for for 1
 
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But why keep debating the trade up? It's all but sealed that they won't trade it. We're stuck with the fraught decision.

We should start the pointless debate of the trading down then lol, see if Chicago is willing to bite and if they actually really really want Misa. I don't really care for shitty picks in a shitty draft year (hence why I wanted to trade up to Schaefer with our 2025 picks), but Rinzel interests me as a long-term project RHD. This ofc only matters if GMMG and co have decided Martone is the guy they truly want. If Chicago really wants the Leaning Tower of Misa, then Rinzel is not a too high price to pay.
 
We should start the pointless debate of the trading down then lol, see if Chicago is willing to bite and if they actually really really want Misa. I don't really care for shitty picks in a shitty draft year (hence why I wanted to trade up to Schaefer with our 2025 picks), but Rinzel interests me as a long-term project RHD. This ofc only matters if GMMG and co have decided Martone is the guy they truly want. If Chicago really wants the Leaning Tower of Misa, then Rinzel is not a too high price to pay.
I think it's less likely that Chicago is the dance partner. Possibly UT, there's been a ton of discussion around PHI. Chicago sees Rinzel as a big piece, so I think it is too high a price for them. I think they'll be happy to take whoever of Misa or Martone falls to them.

I haven't seen a Philly proposal that seems worthy of giving up Misa or Martone. Bonk is uninspiring to me and still a prospect. Foerster maybe. Maybe Grier and Co love Mrtka or J. Smith and they think 2 for 6, 22, and Foerster is worth it because you pick up Mrtka/Smith at 6 (or Martone if he falls) and then you package some combo of 22, 30, 33 to get back into the teens and pick Aitcheson or something.

But I still think it's 90% we just pick Misa and Skip away happy.
 
Google AI was a mistake. That shit once told me Luke Kunin was a top-9 forward and Goodrow was worth his contract. No chance it's even close to knowing NHL GM salaries.
AI is only as good as the data it is trained on. It probably demonstrating it was trained on data which included Jim Benning, Peter Chiarelli, and other infamous GMs.
 
But why keep debating the trade up? It's all but sealed that they won't trade it. We're stuck with the fraught decision.
It’s not sealed that they won’t trade the pick. Did Grier ever have to publicly say he wasn’t going to trade the pick? Did Davidson have to say he wasn’t going to trade the 2023 pick? Darsh saying he won’t trade the pick just further increases the chances that it could be moved. If you aren’t going to trade the pick just ignore all the talk and pick your guy. If you want a better trade package from those below you then you say “we are not going to trade the pick”

Now I don’t think they will actually trade the pick but more from an ownership/marketing perspective. The attention that a 1st overall pick gets from the league (especially one that plays the next season which would be either Hagens or Misa) is worth a lot to an owner and organization from a business perspective.
 
I think it's less likely that Chicago is the dance partner. Possibly UT, there's been a ton of discussion around PHI. Chicago sees Rinzel as a big piece, so I think it is too high a price for them. I think they'll be happy to take whoever of Misa or Martone falls to them.

I haven't seen a Philly proposal that seems worthy of giving up Misa or Martone. Bonk is uninspiring to me and still a prospect. Foerster maybe. Maybe Grier and Co love Mrtka or J. Smith and they think 2 for 6, 22, and Foerster is worth it because you pick up Mrtka/Smith at 6 (or Martone if he falls) and then you package some combo of 22, 30, 33 to get back into the teens and pick Aitcheson or something.

But I still think it's 90% we just pick Misa and Skip away happy.

Probably, but maybe they REALLY want Misa, as let's be honest, Bedard is a winger in this league. His defensive zone presence (or lack thereof) and pathetic faceoff percentage as well as his 5'10 size makes it very likely he's not going to be a complete C, but can be a super elite playmaking and scoring wing. Misa could be the C that unlocks Bedard into the best line in the league. If you are Chicago, isn't that worth Rinzel? Does Martone fit at all with Bedard? I think Misa is the guy they have to be really wanting. Rinzel is a project and they already have Levs.

As for Philly and Utah and the rest, not interested. I don't want more picks in this shitty draft year. And going all the way down there you aren't even getting Martone or Hagens, but now are thinking about Frondell or Desnoyers or O'Brien who have even way way way bigger question marks.

I'm down with a trade down to Chicago or just picking Misa, but nothing else.
 

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