What is the highest trade package you're willing to give up to swap Misa for Schaefer?

[Smok3d]

So it’s what I thought. the rumor is 2OA, a top prospect and a 2nd.

If the prospect isn’t Dickinson…. I’m cool with this deal.

If this is all it takes, Schaefer isn’t 100% their guy.

 

[SJS1991]

If this is all it takes, Schaefer isn’t 100% their guy.

It’s almost like Schaefer and another prospect are in the same tier… and are marginally different in their projection.

 

[Red Light Lover]

Does Nate Misskey qualify as a top prospect?

 

[dmcccdmn]

So it’s what I thought. the rumor is 2OA, a top prospect and a 2nd.

If the prospect isn’t Dickinson…. I’m cool with this deal.

2OA + Musty + 2nd is uncomfortably big package. That 2nd better be OTT's 2nd and not the 33. Still, even with OTT's 2nd, that offer would make a lot of Sharks fan uncomfortable with giving up. It would take a lot of alcohol.

To be fair, from Islanders fan base perspective, that might not move the needle much for them. But if both sides aren't happy with a package, that package might be most fair.

Grier made a good trade in Askarov deal but also made a bad trade in Zetterlund deal, so let's see which version of Grier we'll see in this trade.

 

[SJS1991]

2OA + Musty + 2nd is uncomfortably big package. That 2nd better be OTT's 2nd and not the 33. Still, even with OTT's 2nd, that offer would make a lot of Sharks fan uncomfortable with giving up. It would take a lot of alcohol.

To be fair, from Islanders fan base perspective, that might not move the needle much for them. But if both sides aren't happy with a package, that package might be most fair.

Grier made a good trade in Askarov deal but also made a bad trade in Zetterlund deal, so let's see which version of Grier we'll see in this trade.

Sure I get that… I wouldn’t be uncomfortable, but I’m in the camp of 30OA and 33OA is fine and my max.

I think it’s likely Cherny and the 33OA, by the way. Not Musty.

Get Schaefer at 1OA and then get like a Zonnon at 30OA. Would make for a great draft.

Again my opinion.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Yeah, no f***ing shit if you can get 2nd overall, a top prospect, and another late 1st to take a slightly worse prospect at an even more premium position, you do it.

Good f***ing god.

 

[one2gamble]

maybe the top prospect is Bystedt lol

 

[dmcccdmn]

Sure I get that… I wouldn’t be uncomfortable, but I’m in the camp of 30OA and 33OA is fine and my max.

I think it’s likely Cherny and the 33OA, by the way. Not Musty.

Get Schaefer at 1OA and then get like a Zonnon at 30OA. Would make for a great draft.

Again my opinion.

Cherny is more palatable. One thing for sure, I can't wait for the playoffs to be over so we can begin to see trades happen.

 

[one2gamble]

I still dont think id do it.

 

[Juxtaposer]

If the top prospect is Musty or worse, then fine. If it’s Dickinson or Chernyshov, truly f*** off.

maybe the top prospect is Bystedt lol

I guess Bystedt would qualify as a “top prospect” in a system like the Isles. A lot of guys we don’t consider to be top prospects would easily have that denomination in a lesser system.

 

[SJS1991]

Cherny is more palatable. One thing for sure, I can't wait for the playoffs to be over so we can begin to see trades happen.

Got to say dmcccdmn, you are one of the few that DONT want it to be Musty haha. A lot of sharks fans want to ship him out, I don’t know why haha.

At least from the group of wingers.

 

[dmcccdmn]

If the top prospect is Musty or worse, then fine. If it’s Dickinson or Chernyshov, truly f*** off.


I guess Bystedt would qualify as a “top prospect” in a system like the Isles. A lot of guys we don’t consider to be top prospects would easily have that denomination in a lesser system.

1. Macklin Celebrini ~95% (NR)
2. Will Smith ~90% (#1)
3. Yaroslav Askarov ~52% (NR)
4. Sam Dickinson ~95% (NR)
5. Quentin Musty ~49% (#3)
6. Shakir Mukhamadullin ~77% (#4)
7. Igor Chernyshov ~39% (NR)
8. Filip Bystedt ~34% (#5)
9. Kasper Halttunen ~69% (#11)
10. Daniil Gushchin ~23% (#8)
11. Collin Graf ~37% (NR)
12. Luca Cagnoni ~38% (#12)
13. Eric Pohlkamp ~45% (NR)
14. Leo Sahlin Wallenius ~52% (NR)
15. Ethan Cardwell ~52% (NR)
16. Jack Thompson (RO) ~60% (NR)
17. Jake Furlong ~25% (NR)
18. Cam Lund ~27% (#9)
19. Mattias Havelid ~33% (#10)
20. Yegor Rimashevsky ~31% (NR)

@The Nemesis and I will post the next step in the fun world of prospect stuff sometime in the coming days. Everyone take one last moment to say their farewells to the 2 Es, Edstrom and Emberson, we hardly knew ye.

In all seriousness, what a difference a year makes.

I thought Cherny is ranked a little lower on depth chart than Musty?

 

[Hodge]

If the top prospect is Musty or worse, then fine. If it’s Dickinson or Chernyshov, truly f*** off.


I guess Bystedt would qualify as a “top prospect” in a system like the Isles. A lot of guys we don’t consider to be top prospects would easily have that denomination in a lesser system.

Chernyshov? You seriously wouldn't give up Igor Chernyshov to secure a potential franchise defenseman and the consensus best player in the draft?

I can at least understand the hesitation with Dickinson or the 2026 1st or a young piece off the roster but Chernyshov is not some surefire top line stud. He'll probably be a solid middle six winger, the kind you can pick up at any trade deadline or UFA period.

 

[Le Rosbeef]

At this time, the Sharks board is like that weird stalker who won't let go of the idea of his ex-girlfriend coming back.

Start looking at Misa and being thrilled.

 

[one2gamble]

Chernyshov? You seriously wouldn't give up Igor Chernyshov to secure a potential franchise defenseman and the consensus best player in the draft?

I can at least understand the hesitation with Dickinson or the 2026 1st or a young piece off the roster but Chernyshov is not some surefire top line stud. He'll probably be a solid middle six winger, the kind you can pick up at any trade deadline or UFA period.

The question is would you give up a potential #1/#2 Center, a potential top six winger plus a pick for a potential top pairing dman.

There are no existing #1 dmen coming back, its potential for potential.

 

[Hodge]

The question is would you give up a potential #1/#2 Center, a potential top six winger plus a pick for a potential top pairing dman.

Yes, absolutely. There are other ways to get a 2C or top six winger but if you want a #1 defenseman you pretty much have to draft them.

 

[one2gamble]

Yes, absolutely. There are other ways to get a 2C or top six winger but if you want a #1 defenseman you pretty much have to draft them.

we have had multiple top pariing dmen come through this org without drafting them

 

[Barrie22]

Cherny is more palatable. One thing for sure, I can't wait for the playoffs to be over so we can begin to see trades happen.

Trades can happen now, nothing is stoping the 30 other teams from making trades, other then an unwritten rule about overshadowing the cup finals.

 

[Hodge]

we have had multiple top pariing dmen come through this org without drafting them

The only one who came close to being a championship-caliber #1 was Vlasic, the guy we drafted. Maybe we can find another guy like that in the 2nd round or later but I have way more confidence in Schaefer becoming a #1 than unearthing some hidden gem that the rest of the league has slept on.

 

[SJS1991]

The question is would you give up a potential #1/#2 Center, a potential top six winger plus a pick for a potential top pairing dman.

There are no existing #1 dmen coming back, its potential for potential.

I think it comes down to their view of Smith and if he truly projects as a center. If they are steadfast in their belief he is the 2C of the future behind Mack.

If they do I think this deal becomes easy for them. Also depending on their projection of next year. If they think it will be strong again in forwards, the smart play might be to get the defenseman now.

my read of the situation is they BELIEVE Smith is a center. So that’s why I see them looking at this deal.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I thought Cherny is ranked a little lower on depth chart than Musty?

I prefer him to Musty significantly.

Chernyshov? You seriously wouldn't give up Igor Chernyshov to secure a potential franchise defenseman and the consensus best player in the draft?

I can at least understand the hesitation with Dickinson or the 2026 1st or a young piece off the roster but Chernyshov is not some surefire top line stud. He'll probably be a solid middle six winger, the kind you can pick up at any trade deadline or UFA period.

I like Chernyshov a lot.

 

[dmcccdmn]

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At this time, the Sharks board is like that weird stalker who won't let go of the idea of his ex-girlfriend coming back.

Start looking at Misa and being thrilled.

I don't understand why Darche needed to come out and announce that. How often to teams with 1OA come out and want people to be aware they would be shocked to trade 1OA pick? Is it because most other drafts don't have #1 and #2 prospects being so close that a trade in those drafts is so unconscionable to even necessary announce?

 

[one2gamble]

Id still rather have 4 #2's and a deep forward core than 1 #1 and a bunch of #4/5/6's

 

[Hodge]

I prefer him to Musty significantly.


I like Chernyshov a lot.

I like him a lot too. Along with Dickinson and Graf (if he still counts), he's one of our few prospects I'm confident will have a long NHL career. He's not dynamic enough to have legit first line upside though IMO. A consistent 20+20 middle six power forward is still valuable but I'd rather try to find some other way to acquire that piece if that's what it takes to secure Schaefer.

Honestly this makes a lot of sense for both teams. Let the Isles have the Misa+Chernyshov duo, we get the best player in the draft at our position of greatest need, figure out what other pick(s) need to be attached to balance the value. And to top it all off the Blackhawks get hosed.

 

[SJS1991]

I still think it’s a less than 1% chance the 1OA gets traded. It just historically doesn’t happen a ton.

I think the NYI new GM won’t be that bold…